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Old 12-03-2019, 05:49 PM
 
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The "company" never signed the agreement, that requires 2/3 vote in the Senate. What they singed was agreement with the Obama administration subject to the approval or disapproval of any subsequent administrations. They were made fully aware of this repeatedly.
Hmm. If "company" never signed the agreement, I don't see why the other side should comply with any obligations at all. Actually, this paints them in a better light than US, since they were following the deal to the "t" (even if it was not "signed") until US broke it (or, speaking legalese, "completely refused to sign").
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:12 PM
 
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I live where I live, that’s where.

And make me leave if you can.
Oooh, a teenager, eh?
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:14 PM
 
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Hmm. If "company" never signed the agreement, I don't see why the other side should comply with any obligations at all. Actually, this paints them in a better light than US, since they were following the deal to the "t" (even if it was not "signed") until US broke it (or, speaking legalese, "completely refused to sign").
The agreement was never ratified...so no they don't have to comply, neither do we. What's the problem then?
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:22 PM
 
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Hmm. If "company" never signed the agreement, I don't see why the other side should comply with any obligations at all.

Because it was best thing they could hope to get, it bought them time. At it's best had the US continued to be a part of this agreement it only kicked the can down the road, at it's worse Iran has continued to build their nuclear weapons program.


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since they were following the deal to the "t"

They were not following this to a T, there was numerous breaches including test missile firings. On top of that it wasn't difficult for them to comply with a lot of things . For example only declared facilities already known to the west could be inspected. If there was any suspicion about other facilities Iran would of first been informed of the suspicions and then a lengthy process that could take months to get access if at all.
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:38 PM
 
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The agreement was never ratified...so no they don't have to comply, neither do we. What's the problem then?
Actually, no problem. I don't understand why that deal was needed at all. Iran does what they want, US does what it wants, so all is good.

In fact, I don't understand all that fuss about Iran. Like any other country, they have a right to build a nuke if they want. US, like any other country has a right to not trade with Iran, or blackmail/harass other countries to not trade with them - that's normal process in politics. So, what's this much ado about nothing?
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:52 PM
 
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Actually, no problem. I don't understand why that deal was needed at all. Iran does what they want, US does what it wants, so all is good.

In fact, I don't understand all that fuss about Iran. Like any other country, they have a right to build a nuke if they want. US, like any other country has a right to not trade with Iran, or blackmail/harass other countries to not trade with them - that's normal process in politics. So, what's this much ado about nothing?
Americans have grown to love bullying other nations. Especially if they refuse to do what we demand of them.

It’s a habit we should’ve chucked after the Cold War, but old habits die hard.
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:08 PM
 
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Because it was best thing they could hope to get, it bought them time. At it's best had the US continued to be a part of this agreement it only kicked the can down the road, at it's worse Iran has continued to build their nuclear weapons program.





They were not following this to a T, there was numerous breaches including test missile firings. On top of that it wasn't difficult for them to comply with a lot of things . For example only declared facilities already known to the west could be inspected. If there was any suspicion about other facilities Iran would of first been informed of the suspicions and then a lengthy process that could take months to get access if at all.
Hmm, let me see. There were multiple parties to the deal, and UK, France, Germany, EU, Russia, China - not exactly the closest buddies, to say the least, - all agree that Iran follows the deal. Only USA said that there was a "breach". Given the above, I'd say that it's USA that is wrong.
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Americans have grown to love bullying other nations. Especially if they refuse to do what we demand of them.

It’s a habit we should’ve chucked after the Cold War, but old habits die hard.
And you wonder why the Iranians would want to have nukes ---- if big ol Uncle Sam is saber-rattling and making threatening gestures and actions towards 'em, eh?
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Old 12-03-2019, 08:06 PM
 
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And you wonder why the Iranians would want to have nukes ---- if big ol Uncle Sam is saber-rattling and making threatening gestures and actions towards 'em, eh?
Another American-hating liberal is speaking.
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Old 12-03-2019, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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And you wonder why the Iranians would want to have nukes ---- if big ol Uncle Sam is saber-rattling and making threatening gestures and actions towards 'em, eh?

So who would you trust more with nukes, the U.S. or Iran who sponsors terrorism worldwide and has done so for several decades?
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