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Old 12-06-2019, 05:14 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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This has never been actually proven because Hillary and the DNC refused to allow the FBI access to their server to prove it was Russia. We are only going on what THEIR private IT person says.

Many suspect it was a disgruntled democrat who released the emails, possibly even mysteriously-murdered Seth.
That’s why DNC refuses to release any evidence it was the Russians.
Wrong. The FBI have, and have had, the same copy/copies of the servers that Crowdstrike used for their forensics.

There is no need to turn over the physical machines - what are they going to do with them, dust them for prints?


...turning over the physical server isn’t necessary (or the usual procedure) for forensic analyses, and it isn’t as useful as a copy of what was on the server at the time, which CrowdStrike provided to the FBI.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachels.../#19aaf04765eb



...The long answer is that there is no "server"—there are many different servers and pieces of internet infrastructure in question, and the United States intelligence community and independent security researchers have examined much of it and have all reached the same conclusion: Russia hacked the DNC.

It is widely believed that CrowdStrike, a cybersecurity firm hired by the DNC to respond to the hack, gave an identical image of some of the servers to the FBI, which experts I’ve spoken to say would be more useful than giving the FBI a physical server itself
...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z...hack-explained
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Old 12-06-2019, 05:20 AM
 
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It was done by adding fake news propaganda and conspiracy theories to social media like facebook, etc. that have exposure to millions of people. Many actually believed the nonsense on there..."Birtherism" and "Pizzagate" were just a few examples of countless others that were crazy...I knew something was very fishy going on with Russia meddling, however many didn't and actually believed that stuff!?
Here is the thing. Most of Trumps supporters are in rural communities and in fly over states. Social media is no where near as popular in those areas as in larger urban areas so it doesn't seem like it would be too effective.
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Old 12-06-2019, 05:37 AM
 
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How did Russia interfere in 2016 elections?

Over the course of the election, a wide-ranging group of Russians probed state voter databases for insecurities; hacked the Hillary Clinton campaign, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Democratic National Committee; tried to hack the campaign of Sen. Marco Rubio and the Republican National Committee; released politically damaging information on the internet; spread propaganda on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Instagram; staged rallies in Florida and Pennsylvania; set up meetings with members of the Trump campaign and its associates; and floated a business proposition for a skyscraper in Moscow to the Trump Organization.

The goal, as determined by the U.S. intelligence community and backed up by evidence gathered by Special Counsel Robert Mueller: To damage the Clinton campaign, boost Trump’s chances and sow distrust in American democracy overall.

The information and details have been revealed over the years since the election by memos from intelligence agencies, court documents filed by Mueller, testimony from Trump associates in court and before Congress and by and in investigative news reports.

OP, read the numerous reports that other posters have recommended, if you genuinely remain in the dark as to this disturbing and dangerous and serious matter.
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Old 12-06-2019, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Please, don’t make it about Clinton or Trump.
I just want to understand the mechanism of a foreign government’s interference- how was it done?

Did they add fake voters?
Did they send a malware into our systems?
Did they damage our computers which affected the votes count?
What else?
The actual established facts of interference?
Do we think that if not for Russia the results of the elections would be different in 2016?

As a voter I make my own decisions which I believe is the best for the country and I have trouble understanding how a foreign country can affect my vote that I cast unless they made my vote not count somehow?

Any other examples of foreign governments interfering in elections in our history?
Did we take precautions to avoid such interferences in 2020?
Thank you.
They assisted Hillary in making up false information on Trump so the FBI would wiretap Trump.
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Old 12-06-2019, 06:00 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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They assisted Hillary in making up false information on Trump so the FBI would wiretap Trump.
Except Trump was never wiretapped, so.....

Also, I can't wait for the IG report regarding the FISA process on Monday. You?
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Old 12-06-2019, 06:24 AM
 
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So lefties are mad that the Russian hackers (who probably had no ties with Putin or the military) ……...
You are posting false information.

One of the most striking elements of Russia’s plan to influence the election, andywire,, were indeed agents with Russian military intelligence, known as GRU, hacking into the emails of staff working for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. These efforts, as laid out by Mueller in his July 2018 indictment, began in March of 2016.

During that month, the agents sent emails that looked like Google security notifications to many Clinton campaign staffers and volunteers. But rather than helping them lock down their accounts, these emails instructed recipients to click a link to change their password, and when the user did so, this gave the Russian agents access to their accounts. Using this method, the GRU agents stole tens of thousands of emails from Clinton campaign staffers, including campaign chairman John Podesta.

The GRU agents then created a fake online group called Guccifer 2.0 and used that persona to share these emails with WikiLeaks. That group in turn released the stolen emails in the run up to the November election, creating frequent negative news cycles for Clinton.

GRU officers also used malicious emails to gain access to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee computer network, according to the special counsel indictment. Once inside, the hackers installed malware that allowed them to access more computers and steal thousands of emails and documents related to the election. In April of 2016, for example, the indictment said the hackers searched a DCCC computer for terms including “hillary,” “cruz” and “trump,” and copied a folder titled “Benghazi Investigations.”

In early June of 2016, the Russian officers launched DCLeaks.com and posted thousands of stolen documents and emails there. Days later, the DNC announced it had been hacked, prompting the Russians to create the Guccifer 2.0 persona to shift attention away from them and cover who had done the hacking.

The Russian agents, posing as Guccifer 2.0, shared stolen documents with WikiLeaks, which promised it would ensure the material “will have a much higher impact than what you are doing,” according to Mueller’s indictment. On July 22, just days before the Democratic National Convention, WikiLeaks released more than 20,000 stolen emails.

Per the Roger Stone indictment and conviction a “senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact Stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information” WikiLeaks had about Clinton’s campaign. Stone had been bragging about connections to WikiLeaks, and as the election approached, prosecutors say he continued to update the Trump campaign about the group’s plans. In early October, Steve Bannon, then Trump’s campaign chairman, reached out to Stone to express concern after WikiLeaks delayed releasing emails. But Stone reassured him and when WikiLeaks released Podesta’s emails on Oct. 7, 2016, just after the Washington Post published audio from “Access Hollywood” of Trump bragging about assaulting women, Bannon sent Stone a message: “well done.”

In July of 2018, Mueller indicted 12 Russian nationals/agents for their part in allegedly hacking into U.S. election systems. The prosecutors offered up more details, including saying that hackers stole information on 500,000 voters from an unnamed state’s website, including names, addresses, partial Social Security numbers, dates of birth and driver’s license numbers. Russians then visited the websites of counties in Georgia, Iowa and Florida, according to the indictment. The hackers also penetrated a voter registration software vendor, according to the indictment, and posed as the company sending malicious emails to several Florida election administrators.

In addition to all this, the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report said that in a small number of states, Russian intelligence agents “were able to gain access to restricted elements of election infrastructure” and “were in a position to, at a minimum, alter or delete voter registration data.”

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Old 12-06-2019, 06:30 AM
 
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She won the popular vote by 3 million over Trump. There's nobody who thought Trump would win, not even Trump. Russians pushed him over the edge in electoral votes by the slimmest of margins in the states that mattered by running constant propaganda in those places.
Russians didn't "run propaganda" anywhere.
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Old 12-06-2019, 06:31 AM
 
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You just read about Pizzagate??????? Now I know you're full of pre-chewed beans.
You'd been better off trying to Say Stormy Daniels was never connected to Russia interference.

You're just Trolling for Trumpsters.

Goodbye.
The notion that "pizzagate" had anything to do with Russia is ridiculous.
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Old 12-06-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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Russians didn't "run propaganda" anywhere.
Yes, they did!

The propaganda and influence efforts actually stretch back further than the primary season. Russia’s plans to affect the U.S. election began in April of 2014 with the development of a “troll farm” that could spread false and disparaging messages on social media, per indictments resulting from the special counsel investigation. Mueller’s indictment in February of 2018 charged 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies — including the Internet Research Agency — with conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to commit bank fraud and identity theft.

The Internet Research Agency and its employees, the indictment said, sought to conduct “information warfare against the United States of America” in order to spread distrust and support Trump’s election. In an operation that cost millions of dollars, the Russians studied U.S. political groups, traveled to gather intelligence in several states and developed a network of fake accounts that they used to infect the American electorate. Throughout 2016, they posted divisive content about topics such as Black Lives Matter, immigration and gun control; they bought political ads criticizing Clinton; and they pumped out hashtags like #Hillary4Prison and #TrumpTrain and myriad more to their masses of followers.

Beyond getting voters in the U.S. to follow Facebook or Twitter accounts and read fake news websites, the Russians translated their social media influence into real-life events. Posing as American grassroots activists, the trolls set up and promoted rallies in swing states like Florida and Pennsylvania, as well as at Trump properties in New York, according to the indictment. The Russian trolls hired a real American to dress as Clinton in a prison uniform at a rally in West Palm Beach.

Tip of iceberg, hbdwihdh378y9.

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Old 12-06-2019, 06:44 AM
 
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For the last few years I can not watch any TV- “ talking heads” news especially- it is like a chewing gum on one hand and a feeling of “ bombardment”, “ brainwashing” on the other hand - the incivility, the “gory anything goes“ private life details, a lack of dignity and honor, a lack of respect for the voters- I can’t take it anymore.. just headlines- is all I can bear to read...
That is why they publish the reports. Read it for your self in a quite room with the TV off it you need silence to concentrate.

BUTT!!!!!

If you can stand reading comments on this forum then Talking Heads should not bother you either. Some of the stuff on here is literally lifted from those talking heads and parroted all the time. I estimate that only 30% of post on this forum are of original thought, the rest is copy and paste talking points from those heads you don't like.
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