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So far not one GOP member has brought forward contradicting information to prove Trump's innocence. They continue to whine about the process because they have no defense for the Con in Chief.
Trump provided a transcript.
Republicans agreed that is what he said.
Democrats did, too.
The House should vote. Accept the results.
Then send it to the senate. And accept the results.
it's amazing that you know everything about a group of people to which you don't belong.
It'd be like me claiming I knew what women want. ALL women - no differing opinions among them allowed.
I was a Republican up until around 2014 and a Christian up until Trump won the 2016 election (that was my last straw with religion, though I had been backsliding for a while). I know the Trump base VERY well. My father is a Baptist pastor.
So far not one GOP member has brought forward contradicting information to prove Trump's innocence. They continue to whine about the process because they have no defense for the Con in Chief.
There's no evidence proving he's guilty of any crime or even wrongdoing.... in America there is a presumption of innocence so there's no need to prove it, innocence is the default assumption.
So far not one GOP member has brought forward contradicting information to prove Trump's innocence. They continue to whine about the process because they have no defense for the Con in Chief.
Hitting that Happy Hour early I see.
TDS has been know to lead to heavy drinking problems. Careful.
I am Independent and losing interest more all of the time in anything political, but really wish each "side" was so biased. Before any of this mess started I was appalled when we had promised (under Obama) to assist the Ukraine with their security and rebuilding, but silently sat on our hands while Russia invaded and seized Crimea. We were the only nation on earth that could have influenced that and we did nothing. It was devastating to Ukraine, but gave Russia a major strategic port. Later Obama offered assistance in cleaning up their extreme corruption. That led to the investigation of Burisma, considered one of the worst offenders. That investigation is still unresolved. It was halted by Biden who promised to withhold 1 billion $ in already approved aid, unless the investigator was fired.
I'm not a fan of Trump, but I am a proponent of Justice. Why is one incident disregarded, but the other is cause for impeachment?
The day before the 2016 election I said out loud, "The Republicans picked the only person that couldn't beat Hilary Clinton". The next day I admitted I was wrong; the Democrats picked the only person that couldn't beat Trump.
To the bold text. I'm not a Republican or Democrat, and Trump annoys me, and he says and does things I think are simply not meeting with my expectations of what proper presidential behavior should be. I too am a person who believes in blind justice, equal and fair treatment under the law.
However, the constant hate filled barrage against Trump, culminating with the end of the Mueller investigation has pushed me further into the Republican side. I constantly find myself defending Trump, from unfair treatment, distortions and outright lies and misrepresentation of the facts by the news media and Trump's, seemingly deranged, political opponents.
I don't see how a non objective witness to Joe Biden admitting to blackmailing Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating his son's former boss, would not be viewed with outright suspicions of possible corruption and abuses of power.
The evidence is that Biden admitted to using Congressional aid to blackmail Ukraine, and the Democrats and news media either dismissive or indifferent to it.
There is no evidence, it's only assumed by Trump's opponents that he sought to investigate Biden for purely personal reasons, and yet the same people who dismissed Biden, seek to impeach Trump.
Factual evidence that an event took place is the basic requirement for any impeachment proceeding, not opinion based upon rumor and conjecture.
Laugh if you like, but a fair trial would include the testimony of Mick Mulvaney, John Bolton, and Rudy Giuliani, and when it's televised the Democrats will be asking questions also. Sixty seven votes are required to convict and you are probably right about the count since the Republicans are circling like so many water buffalo around their young.
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Conservatives don’t care about any of these charges though.
1) Build the wall
2) Appoint pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, pro-Christian judges
3) Keep DemonRATS our of public office.
Nothing else matters to conservatives other than those things.
How untrue that is! I'm a conservative Democrat and yes I want to see the wall, I'm pro-life but don't want abortion used as contraception which I see happening, I could give a rat's a** about marriage - I want to see people happy - no matter the race or gender and yes - I do want to keep the far left out of office and see responsible Democrats who will serve the people and not special interests being elected.
This campaign to oust Trump started even before he was elected by the Dems and it's horrible the lengths they go just because it wasn't Hillary so I do believe this is all a sham.
There aare many conservative Democrats out there like myself who detest what the Democratic party is doing and what they have evolved into - it's not only conservative Republicans and it's best you remember that as it's those of us that are the reason Trump is President. Keep up with the games and we'll vote for him again - many out of spite that the party is a mess.
I was a Republican up until around 2014 and a Christian up until Trump won the 2016 election (that was my last straw with religion, though I had been backsliding for a while). I know the Trump base VERY well. My father is a Baptist pastor.
Jesus spoke to you and said "don't believe in me anymore"?
Conservatives don’t care about any of these charges though.
1) Build the wall
2) Appoint pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, pro-Christian judges
3) Keep DemonRATS our of public office.
Nothing else matters to conservatives other than those things.
We don’t all agree on number one. While we all agree on tough border and immigration policies we don’t all agree the wall will work. On number 2 and 3 we definitely agree. The decay of our nation at the hands of leftists must be stopped so yes I think we all agree that keeping leftists from power is a key goal we all share.
This impeachment is an effort to further the leftist/Marxist cause in America. Even if Trump had killed someone in front of the White House I would still not support his removal from office because it would aid the leftists in their evil cause. I do not like Trump, he is a disgrace to us and an embarrassment to the country but he is a much lesser evil than the leftist enemies of our country would place on the throne to rule over us. I will do nothing to aid these traitors to our country and for that reason I will without hesitation go to the polls and vote for Trump in 2020 in spite of the fact that I actually despise the man Trump is. The evil the leftists are is so much more of a threat to our freedoms and way of life than anything Trump May say or do. Trump at the least has our national interest in mind and many of his ideas are correct. My beef with him is his un presidential demeanor, his questionable personal and business life and his inability to effectively carry out his good ideas. ( border security, healthcare reform for example)
I would rather watch this nation burn to the ground than to see the leftist traitors ruin what it is.
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