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Old 12-10-2019, 02:33 PM
 
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Medicare is so tied into SS that I doubt they are going to separate them. Unless they do start offering option to buy in at any age or whatever.
They already do. Medicare eligibility is 65 and here's the schedule for SS:

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Old 12-10-2019, 02:34 PM
 
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I will say at this point unless one party has control of both presidency and both houses of congress, they arent going to get anything passed. If they do, polarization is such that soon as the opposite party gets in power, their only focus is reversing it. Just like Republicans so focused on eliminating Obamacare without a serious plan of their own. All they had was hate for Obama and anything he did during his two terms. They cared nothing how it affected their constituents. It will be same when current administration passes into history, the Demos will try to undo everything Trump did. This is why the old way of negotiating meant nobody got their way totally, you let the opposition have a stake in not reversing everything when they got the power to do so.
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Old 12-10-2019, 02:36 PM
 
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You can make it mandatory to accept Medicare patients without extra fees added on if its not selective and applies to all health care providers.
No, you can't. Fed Gov cannot mandate that doctors accept any and all patients.
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Old 12-10-2019, 02:42 PM
 
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They already do. Medicare eligibility is 65 and here's the schedule for SS:

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You are not showing how Medicare is affected by this, just when SS eligibility changes. Are people under 67 going to pay out of pocket for Medicare part B for two years? I would assume Medicare age going to match SS eligibility.


You are right people still have to apply at age 65 for Medicare and pay part B out of pocket.
https://money.usnews.com/money/retir...o-66-5-in-2019



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While the Social Security full retirement age has increased over the past several years, the age when workers qualify for Medicare has remained age 65. Those who delay claiming Social Security until their full retirement age or later still need to sign up for Medicare at age 65 or maintain other group health insurance based on current employment to avoid hefty Medicare late enrollment penalties. While many retirees have their Medicare premiums withheld from their Social Security checks, those who enroll in Medicare before starting Social Security will have to pay premiums out of pocket.
Obviously somebody didnt think this through all the way.
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Old 12-10-2019, 02:48 PM
 
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How? Lower level of health care benefits?
Single or multiple payer is simply the count of insurance companies within a market segment. It doesn't say anything about level of benefits or who pays. So, single-payer means there is only one insurance company that provides a given set of coverage, and it may be private or it may be government.

Medicare is single payer for plans A and B. Other plans defined by Medicare such as D, F, G... are multi-payer since they compete with each other.
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Old 12-10-2019, 02:51 PM
 
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No, you can't. Fed Gov cannot mandate that doctors accept any and all patients.

They indeed can as long as its not selective. They cant legislate that only certain kinds of doctors or specify individual doctor, but ALL doctors nationwide, sure. All doctors can be required due to the interstate commerce clause. Same way they could force everybody to buy health insurance. They cant require doctors keep practicing medicine. Doctors would have option to stop, but all practicing doctors could be required. Will they, most likely not. Insurance industry and medical care industry has bought majority of congresscritters. Too many people making too much money, plus the extreme polarization of politics. Means little or nothing gets done short of one party getting total control and then other party gets power they focus on how to undo everything.
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Old 12-10-2019, 02:58 PM
 
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You are not showing how Medicare is affected by this, just when SS eligibility changes. Are people under 67 going to pay out of pocket for Medicare part B for two years? I would assume Medicare age going to match SS eligibility.

You are right people still have to apply at age 65 for Medicare and pay part B out of pocket.
https://money.usnews.com/money/retir...o-66-5-in-2019

Obviously somebody didnt think this through all the way.
Most retirees have to pay for Part B out of pocket. After SS eligibility age, it's just automatically deducted from one's SS benefit.
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Old 12-10-2019, 03:06 PM
 
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Single or multiple payer is simply the count of insurance companies within a market segment. It doesn't say anything about level of benefits or who pays. So, single-payer means there is only one insurance company that provides a given set of coverage, and it may be private or it may be government.

Medicare is single payer for plans A and B. Other plans defined by Medicare such as D, F, G... are multi-payer since they compete with each other.
Changing the number of payers doesn't lower the cost of health care. Every claim still has to be processed whether there are 10 payers or one.
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Old 12-10-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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They indeed can as long as its not selective.
Nope. The Fed Gov cannot compel labor.
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Old 12-10-2019, 03:29 PM
 
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Changing the number of payers doesn't lower the cost of health care. Every claim still has to be processed whether there are 10 payers or one.
It does when there is only one payer. That one payer gets to set the price for all health care delivered via insurance.
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