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We don't know this yet. In fact I doubt this will happen. There needs to be some degree of financial barrier at the point of the HC delivery to help avoid abuse.
Yes, we do know. Bernie Sanders introduced the Medicare for All Act (Senate Bill 1129) this year. In that act it clearly states there will be no cost sharing by the patient for medical services.
I am just going by his proposal. I also doubt that M4A as Bernie or Warren have advocated will become law anytime soon, even if Warren is elected.
It's too scary to do such big change in one go, that's why Warren is having her poll problem.
Why can't we do that in one state that favors it like CA, or one region that favors it like CA OR & WA, or an isolated place like Hawaii, and see how that works out first?
If in fact this can be done without middle class tax, it would not matter to the people, right?
And I don't think too many people will move just for the sake of healthcare... we already have bigger differential between states. CA has 13.3% top personal income tax while 7 other states have none, and CA is still chugging along.
Massachusetts is pretty close to universal health care.
Yes, we do know. Bernie Sanders introduced the Medicare for All Act (Senate Bill 1129) this year. In that act it clearly states there will be no cost sharing by the patient for medical services.
I am just going by his proposal. I also doubt that M4A as Bernie or Warren have advocated will become law anytime soon, even if Warren is elected.
Like you say, we can't today know if we will have M4A, and if we eventually do, we can't yet know the final details.
Yes, we do know. Bernie Sanders introduced the Medicare for All Act (Senate Bill 1129) this year. In that act it clearly states there will be no cost sharing by the patient for medical services.
I am just going by his proposal. I also doubt that M4A as Bernie or Warren have advocated will become law anytime soon, even if Warren is elected.
No cost sharing IS NOT Medicare!
Medicare pays 80%, no dental, no drugs (Without an added cost of a Part D Plan), no vision plus their is a monthly premium for coverage.
No idea how they twisted their thoughts into calling it Medicare!
No cost sharing IS NOT Medicare!
Medicare pays 80%, no dental, no drugs (Without an added cost of a Part D Plan), no vision plus their is a monthly premium for coverage.
No idea how they twisted their thoughts into calling it Medicare!
I never said it was. I am just going by what Bernie called his "Medicare for All" Act.
And I would not read too much into the phrase "Medicare for all". It is just a label, a place holder. It is more catchy than "Senate Bill 1129". It has nothing to do with Medicare. Read the details in his proposal if you want to know what the concept is.
Warren's Medicare for all should be renamed Medicare for all EXCEPT those who heavily contributed to my campaign to get out of it.
When you do things like that, people lose faith in it.
If there is only one customer in town, you either charge what that customer is willing to pay or you fold up shop and quit. The medical industry is not going to quit but it is time it quits soaking us. Single-payer gets to define what it will pay just as Medicare does now. Medicare costs substantially less because of that.
but singlepayer does NOT get to define most of the costs
so what YOU are saying is we should FORCE doctors and nurse to work for minimum wage. and have offices in huts
when you pay that doctor $100 ,, its not 100 dollars going into his pocket...there are lots of other COSTS
how are you going to control the cost of medical equipment(mri or x-ray machines, etc)??????most xray machines are made in and imported from Denmark
how are you going to control the rising property tax/rent/mortgage that doctors face????? will the government LOWER property taxes for doctors offices.. the property taxes that fund our schools which say they dont have enough money????
think about that one for a second.... let it sink in....
how are you going to control the cost of supplies(gauze, plaster, silk, rubber, polystyrene( a oil product)?????......especially some supplies that aren't even American, because the globalist liberals have outsourced almost all manufacturing!!!
how are you going to control the cost of the people salaries???? these people with a specialty of medicine...... a maximum wage ??? yeah that's a perfect socialist idea a max wage... bet that will fly
how are you, going to control the employment costs for Doctors, nurses, technicians, hospital food operators, hospital linen cleaning service, custodial services, medical transcribers????.....
...are you going to 'nationalize' every profession that is even remotely connected to medicine????
yeah that's the idea...'nationalize' every profession connected to medicine, then install a max wage....
how are they going to control malpractice INSURANCE COSTS????? …. well Shakespeare did say "kill all the lawyers"
how are you going to control the cost of the rising electric bills the doctors/hospitals are facing????
for example the average hospital uses a lot of electricity...about 450,000 a month...that's over 5 million dollars in electric costs yearly, and in most case to a town government as many utility companies are municipals to the town/city...………..
.........….you are not likely to cut that piece of overhead...………..
we have a doctors (provider) (and nurse) shortage across America
when you go to the local doctor and pay him/her 100..its not 100 going into their pocket
they have lots of overhead costs:
rent/lease/mortgage
property taxes
electric costs
equipment costs(and many pieces of equipment are not even made here)
cleaning costs
supply costs
personnel costs
etc
but singlepayer does NOT get to define most of the costs
so what YOU are saying is we should FORCE doctors and nurse to work for minimum wage. and have offices in huts
when you pay that doctor $100 ,, its not 100 dollars going into his pocket...there are lots of other COSTS
how are you going to control the cost of medical equipment(mri or x-ray machines, etc)??????most xray machines are made in and imported from Denmark
how are you going to control the rising property tax/rent/mortgage that doctors face????? will the government LOWER property taxes for doctors offices.. the property taxes that fund our schools which say they dont have enough money????
think about that one for a second.... let it sink in....
how are you going to control the cost of supplies(gauze, plaster, silk, rubber, polystyrene( a oil product)?????......especially some supplies that aren't even American, because the globalist liberals have outsourced almost all manufacturing!!!
how are you going to control the cost of the people salaries???? these people with a specialty of medicine...... a maximum wage ??? yeah that's a perfect socialist idea a max wage... bet that will fly
how are you, going to control the employment costs for Doctors, nurses, technicians, hospital food operators, hospital linen cleaning service, custodial services, medical transcribers????.....
...are you going to 'nationalize' every profession that is even remotely connected to medicine????
yeah that's the idea...'nationalize' every profession connected to medicine, then install a max wage....
how are they going to control malpractice INSURANCE COSTS????? …. well Shakespeare did say "kill all the lawyers"
how are you going to control the cost of the rising electric bills the doctors/hospitals are facing????
for example the average hospital uses a lot of electricity...about 450,000 a month...that's over 5 million dollars in electric costs yearly, and in most case to a town government as many utility companies are municipals to the town/city...………..
.........….you are not likely to cut that piece of overhead...………..
we have a doctors (provider) (and nurse) shortage across America
when you go to the local doctor and pay him/her 100..its not 100 going into their pocket
they have lots of overhead costs:
rent/lease/mortgage
property taxes
electric costs
equipment costs(and many pieces of equipment are not even made here)
cleaning costs
supply costs
personnel costs
etc
singlepayer will not control these costs
Lol, cry me a river. A business has overhead costs. Who would have thought, lol.
Overwhelmingly, providers accept medicare payments. Why? Because they make a lot of money by doing so.
And you should really stop with the X-ray nonsense, at least talk about MRI or something that costs more.
Lastly, Texas capped malpractice claims ages ago. Of course HC costs kept going ... UP.
It's too scary to do such big change in one go, that's why Warren is having her poll problem.
Why can't we do that in one state that favors it like CA, or one region that favors it like CA OR & WA, or an isolated place like Hawaii, and see how that works out first?
If in fact this can be done without middle class tax, it would not matter to the people, right?
And I don't think too many people will move just for the sake of healthcare... we already have bigger differential between states. CA has 13.3% top personal income tax while 7 other states have none, and CA is still chugging along.
Medicare is federal money... You mean universal health insurance for residents.... Here is the problem, California would never do it... Why? Cause all the liberals would be fired when it fails quickly because they couldn't steal from the federal government (medicaid)... You do realize that Vermont did the public option, it didn't work well.... In fact it's no longer here... Test... Failed
Turned 50 this year never once have I not had health insurance since I moved from my parents home when I was 21 years old. I never went to college, and I either had high deductible when I was younger or most of the time group health insurance though my employer. Free health insurance is nothing more then a way to shift cost to tax payer for bunch of mooches who can't figure out how to get decent employment. Most of the people I knew who had no health insurance rather spend their money on stupid stuff then pay insurance premium. Everyone is where they are because of their own choices in life.
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