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I set out to research which US Presidents had the potential of being both impeached and convicted by their opposing party.
To do so, I needed to find Presidents whose opposing party held both greater than 50% representation in the House and at least 67% in the Senate.
Many Presidents since Reagan had House representation primarily held by the opposing party.
And as you might expect, most Senates are roughly evenly split by party, but you need ⅔ majority to convict.
Seven Presidents going back to Lincoln’s time had Senates with one party holding a 67%+ commanding lead: LBJ, JFK, FDR, T Roosevelt, Grant, A Johnson* and Lincoln. However, in each case, that majority was held by the same party as their respective Presidents. Didn't matter much, because the party of each of those Presidents held the majority in the House as well.
So basically what I found was that in the history of US Presidents going back to Lincoln, no President could have faced both impeachment and conviction from his opposing party, because none had opposition holding a ⅔ majority in the Senate and greater than 50% representation in the House.
Though the future's uncertain, “Partisan” impeachment and conviction has not been much of a threat so far, has it? One could argue the Founders had a plan.
*A Johnson was a member of the National Union party, the temporary name used by the Republican Party for the national ticket in the 1864 presidential election.
Good read, I figured unless commits a heinous crime or is a blatant traitor, total disregard for our laws like watergate- it’s in word but not in action. Good to see you post on here again
Good read, I figured unless commits a heinous crime or is a blatant traitor, total disregard for our laws like watergate- it’s in word but not in action. Good to see you post on here again
Watergate was not even close to "total disregard for our laws".
It isn't all that easy to censure a President, even though it only requires a majority vote of one house of Congress. If nothing else, the articles of impeachment in themselves serve as a form of censure.
So you're making the assumption that a President's own party would never vote to impeach or convict? Maybe true, but kinda sad. Dems did not have 67% of senate in 1974, yet it is widely believed that Nixon would have been impeached and convicted if he had not resigned.
Back then - we were more critical of anything against our country. MrT would have not survived back then either.
He didn't do anything "against our country". Three people committed a burglary for their own reasons without Nixon's knowledge or consent, and then the Deep State threw that steaming pile of **** in his lap and began giving him bad advice about how to deal with it.
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I set out to research which US Presidents had the potential of being both impeached and convicted by their opposing party.
Clinton.
Except the Republicans blew their wad with Monica.
Had the Republicans waited about 6 months, they could have impeached and convicted Clinton for violating UN Security Council Resolutions and US federal laws with the Iran-Kosovo thing (like Iran-Contra only different).
Sure, the Republicans could have attempted a second impeachment, but the Clintons and the Media would have screamed, "Witch-hunt!" and it would have turned on the Republicans.
Still, it wasn't a total loss, since Republicans did shoot down Clinton's appointments, like Clinton's Neo-Con Chief of Staff Tony Lake as CIA Director.
Lake would have been CIA Director at the time of 9-11 and he'd have you going into Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran.
Clinton would've needed bi-partisan effort in the Senate to convict him.
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