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Old 12-09-2019, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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All anyone has to do to understand how insanely left the Democrats have gone is to compare the party platforms from 2000 to now.

There is no question the Democrats have moved far, far, far to the left. If you say otherwise, you are lying.
Ronald Reagan, 1984 Presidential debates:
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President Reagan ridiculed the ''new realism'' of Walter F. Mondale today, saying the leaders of the Democratic Party have gone ''so far left, they've left America.''
There is nothing new in your accusation. Republicans have been accusing democrats of going too far left for 90 years. They did it when FDR was president. They did it when Truman was president. Ronald Reagan in 1984 did it. And now you're doing it. Yawn. It's the standard, off the shelf scare tactic republicans have used against democrats for ages. You would think they'd have thought of something else by now, but I guess not.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:50 PM
 
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Today's Republic Party has NO ROOM for sane people like Mitt Romney. Either they've switched parties to the Democrats or remain in the Republic party tilting at windmills for irrationality in the (R) party that will never happen.
Former GOP Amash and Hurd can relate.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion...-defeat-trump/

Brian Baird was rep for the WA 3rd congressional district, which is the SW corner of the state. I've seen it termed a 'swing district,' but to me it's more of a moderate GOP district. Baird was preceded and succeeded by Republicans. He served 6 terms, and then decided not to run for re-election in 2010.

He was often considered moderate-left, but I always thought he was more left than me. I too would consider myself as moderate-left. He did win the 3rd CD by healthy margins. He won by 64% in his last race in 2008. He faced a string of weak opponents.

He recently wrote an op-ed for the Seattle Times:

I agree with his quote you included, though it's an exaggeration of any candidates' position. Obama has issued a similar warning.

Most Dems and Independents are completely opposed to open borders. Some form of national health care would be prudent, but not with a total abandonment of private insurance.

Free college? I don't think so.

Dem candidate needs to take a strong stance on immigration and emphasize how fiscally irresponsible Mr. Trump has been.
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Old 12-09-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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Today's Republic Party has NO ROOM for sane people like Mitt Romney. Either they've switched parties to the Democrats or remain in the Republic party tilting at windmills for irrationality in the (R) party that will never happen.

You mean 'Pierre Delecto'? HAW Now I know you are here top just sling BS.
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Old 12-09-2019, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Just go back and read the quote you posted. Nowhere does Truman say anything about 'going too far left.'
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BTW, can you cite where Truman was ever accused of being 'too liberal?' I don't think the term was in common use in US political discourse until around 1960.

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Truman would not have said that if he himself was not accused of being a socialist or at least promoting socialist policies.
I ask again, where did Truman say anything about 'going too far left' or where someone accused him of being 'too liberal?' "Far left," "liberal" and "socialist" are three different things. You can be far left or liberal without being socialist.

BTW, nowhere in post #1 did I even make reference to 'socialism.' Baird only references it in passing. Your Truman quote is not germane to his points.

BTW, Truman was in fact not uncomfortable with actual socialism. He wanted to nationalize the US steel industry during the Korean War. Steel companies challenged it. It went to the Supreme Court, where it was ruled that he did not have the power to do so.
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Old 12-09-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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Today's Republic Party has NO ROOM for sane people like Mitt Romney. Either they've switched parties to the Democrats or remain in the Republic party tilting at windmills for irrationality in the (R) party that will never happen.
not original and not true. While i think that Trump is a not a very stable person the Republicans don't have an entire party filled with people who appear to be downright nutcases. Who don't seem to understand that most people are center, either center left or center right, and when you start pushing far left ideas as the party standard you alienate all but a small minority of people. Trump although a twitting nightmare and off the cuff speaker of stupidity has relatively center right policies.
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Old 12-09-2019, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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You mean 'Pierre Delecto'? HAW Now I know you are here top just sling BS.
You just proved my point.
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Old 12-09-2019, 07:32 PM
 
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Ronald Reagan, 1984 Presidential debates:


There is nothing new in your accusation. Republicans have been accusing democrats of going too far left for 90 years. They did it when FDR was president. They did it when Truman was president. Ronald Reagan in 1984 did it. And now you're doing it. Yawn. It's the standard, off the shelf scare tactic republicans have used against democrats for ages. You would think they'd have thought of something else by now, but I guess not.
Democrats have a bad habit of doing that....They did it in 1984 and we saw what happened in that election. They are doing the exact same thing now and we're about to see a repeat of the 1984 election.
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Old 12-09-2019, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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I ask again, where did Truman say anything about 'going too far left' or where someone accused him of being 'too liberal?' "Far left," "liberal" and "socialist" are three different things. You can be far left or liberal without being socialist.

BTW, nowhere in post #1 did I even make reference to 'socialism.' Baird only references it in passing. Your Truman quote is not germane to his points.

BTW, Truman was in fact not uncomfortable with actual socialism. He wanted to nationalize the US steel industry during the Korean War. Steel companies challenged it. It went to the Supreme Court, where it was ruled that he did not have the power to do so.
No, you did not make a reference to 'socialism' but since 'socialism' is typically a euphemism for 'far left' or 'too far left' around here they are close substitutes.

I do not believe Truman would have said that if he himself or at least many of his fellow democrats at the time were not regularly being accused of being "socialists" by members of the right. In fact it's pretty obvious to me he was.
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Old 12-09-2019, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Democrats have a bad habit of doing that....They did it in 1984 and we saw what happened in that election. They are doing the exact same thing now and we're about to see a repeat of the 1984 election.
*whoosh*

Completely over your head.
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