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Old 12-10-2019, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Orlando
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This thing has gotten so partisan that no one can see the forest through the trees. I'm an independent politically and I think any president who does what Trump has done should be removed from office. That includes Obama or Clinton. You don't ask a foreign power to interfere in our elections, especially a hostile foreign power. He's done that publicly and privately.
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:28 PM
 
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This thing has gotten so partisan that no one can see the forest through the trees. I'm an independent politically and I think any president who does what Trump has done should be removed from office. That includes Obama or Clinton. You don't ask a foreign power to interfere in our elections, especially a hostile foreign power. He's done that publicly and privately.
You probably convict Musk of calling that guy a pedo but at least we know how that played out.... Some people think the tree is the forest as in your case...
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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This thing has gotten so partisan that no one can see the forest through the trees. I'm an independent politically and I think any president who does what Trump has done should be removed from office. That includes Obama or Clinton. You don't ask a foreign power to interfere in our elections, especially a hostile foreign power. He's done that publicly and privately.
meanwhile Obama KNEW that Russia interfered in the 2012 election and DID NOTHING...and Obama/Clinton DID ask Ukraine to interfere ………
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Old 12-11-2019, 03:00 AM
 
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*sigh* Lack of reading comprehension is another indicator of lack of intelligence. To reiterate in simpler terms: what POTUS did was WRONG, in my opinion. However, it wasn't ILLEGAL or IMPEACHABLE.

The fact witnesses were not lying. In fact, they were ALL truthful about one key point. ALL OF THEM said they had no first-hand knowledge that the POTUS did anything impeachable. Which makes their testimony hearsay, speculation, and assumptions. This point has been brought up before, yet all of you are avoiding discussing this. It is a rather inconvenient fact.

Not one of you has cogently explained what is impeachable about the POTUS’s actions.
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Old 12-11-2019, 03:37 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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The final impeachment offense they will focus on is not coming to testify about crimes for which there was no evidence.


How did that one meme go?

"We don't have any actual evidence that he was a horse thief......but we're still gonna hang him for resisting our attempt to charge him with being a horse thief".
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Old 12-11-2019, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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So, if an American politician is shaking down a foreign leader for foreign aid kickbacks, the President is supposed to ignore it?
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Old 12-11-2019, 05:56 AM
 
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This thing has gotten so partisan that no one can see the forest through the trees. I'm an independent politically and I think any president who does what Trump has done should be removed from office. That includes Obama or Clinton. You don't ask a foreign power to interfere in our elections, especially a hostile foreign power. He's done that publicly and privately.
You lose credibility with exaggerations of fact. The President never asked “a foreign power to interfere in our elections”. He asked the Ukraine President to reopen an internal investigation centered on corruption and efforts by Ukraine nationals (allegedly aided by CrowdStrike tools) to interfere in the 2016 election. That is totally different from what you posted. And if the Ukraine is as you claim a “hostile foreign power”, why are we giving them billions of dollars in foreign aid?

Hunter Biden’s name was mentioned, and this triggered a hissy fit from the “D” camp because he’s related to ol’ Joe. Embarrassing yes, but when did embarrassing an opponent become an impeachable offense?
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Old 12-11-2019, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Trump is going to be Impeached.

Trump Has abused his office and he obstructed Congress.

Simple as that.

Asking for a personal favor.

Then obstructing oversite by Congress. Keeping our Documents and employees from testifying to the people.

This after DJT lost another case. DJT Foundation forced to close and yesterday pay out 2million.

Trump is a crook and has been caught.
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Old 12-11-2019, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Trump points and laughs at you.
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Old 12-11-2019, 06:22 AM
 
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How is this scenario any different from the Clinton impeachment? It's exactly the same political process. This is the way impeachment is supposed to work - it is supposed to be messy and contentious. It is supposed to bring all the facts to the table, and all of the opinions as well.
" It's exactly the same political process." Not even close. The repubs were DENIED to call witnesses of their own, as a starter.

Only shiff and HIS starff were allowed to question the non-whistle blower whose statements STARTED this whole sham.

The so-called whistle blower was COAXED by shiff's staff on what to say, etc. etc., etc.

The repubs have been DENIED to hold minority hearings.

The list of things the dems have done that go AGAINST the rules of the HOUSE is very LONG.
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