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Old 12-11-2019, 12:37 PM
 
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The USA deepstate government has been active in spying on, trying to prevent his election and then instrumental in the effort to depose him...of course Trump doesn't trust the deep state.

Nothing Trump has done would come close to the bribery by Pervert Joe Biden.

There is no "deep state" and your and Trump's and Barr's use of the word spying is very telling as it is not a word used by law enforcement, it is used by propagandists.
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Old 12-11-2019, 12:42 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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There is no "deep state" and your and Trump's and Barr's use of the word spying is very telling as it is not a word used by law enforcement, it is used by propagandists.
Criminals don’t call what they do a crime.

Nobody admits to such things.
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Old 12-11-2019, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Boulder, CO
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Completely false statement ... no one investigated. I hope they are now! Of course it is ok in your book to investigate Trump to no end.. just impeach impeach impeach with no crime at all. NONE!

And admit it, leftists … your side started screaming "IMPEACH" right after the election, over a month before he was installed in office. So much butt-hurt over losing an election. To quote Slick Willy, "better put some ice on that!"
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Old 12-11-2019, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Boulder, CO
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In reality, a better analogy would be that the TDS infected crowd could watch Trump walk into a bank, make a deposit, and then walk out and and then watch Biden walk in an hour later and rob the bank, shoot the teller, and then speed away. When the cops arrive they'd tell them that Trump had to be responsible because he left the bank with money in his hand and because OMB!!!

The TDS crowd would cheer on the 3 year police investigation of Trump and then become livid when they conclude there is no evidence tying Trump to the crime. Then when evidence arises that Biden may have been involved the TDS crowd would demand that the police chief be fired for daring to investigate Biden

And the TDS crowd would ignore the interview with the Bank Manager, where he repeatedly said "There's been no robbery, here !"
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Old 12-11-2019, 01:40 PM
 
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We can debate this ad nauseam but this much is guaranteed:

Trump will remain rich (he doesn't give a sh*t about commoners)

Pelosi will remain rich (yes, democrats can be rich too and not give a sh*t commoners too)

The mainstream media will continue selling the impeachment gimmick until it doesn't generate enough click revenue, then they'll move on to their next political "bombshell". Benghazhi. Christine Blasey Ford/Kavanaugh. Stormy Daniels. Mueller. Impeachment.

Wash, rinse, repeat. no wonder the mainstream media's credibility is so low.
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Old 12-11-2019, 02:38 PM
 
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Im just glad congress found time to put aside differences and renew the unpatriotic act along with authorizing all presidential expenditures (yes the same guy they are trying to impeach).
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Old 12-11-2019, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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There was no "active spying". What on earth are you talking about?
Sorry if you are too ignorant to understand that the Trump campaign was spied on by the Deep State in their efforts to prevent his election and now in their efforts to depose him....you can't fix stupid.
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Old 12-12-2019, 06:29 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I was subjected to a “news” headline the other day that said Congress “unveils articles of impeachment.” Like it’s some big secret. They said they were going to impeach him before he took office. Gee I wonder how the Dems are going to vote? The suspense is killing me! Not. I bet the media will make a big thing of it too. “Watch the live impeachment vote!” They’ll air all the Democrats voting “yes.” What a disgraceful charade to the country.
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Old 12-12-2019, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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I am not a lawyer but am an old union guy. I used to often have to sit in on meetings where management was trying to fire someone over some accused offense. Most if not all union CBAs have a 'just cause' provision which says that management must show 'just cause' to fire a union employee. And the burden of proof is on management.

If they had the goods on the guy (e.g. video evidence or direct witnesses) the union would not fight it. At best we'd try to get him another job if he was generally a good guy. But in many cases, mgmt. would try to fire people without evidence. We would file a 'just cause' grievance and take it all the way to arbitration if necessary.

If this Trump accusation had been in front of us, it would have been laughed out of the initial meeting. Read the 'transcript.' There is no evidence there.
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You believe all those first hand witnesses are really partisan liars? There's too many of them for that. If you actually listen to their testimony it's obvious.
Let me just offer an example from my union days. A couple of guys, both long-time trouble-makers, got into a verbal altercation. Their company management decided they wanted to fire one of the guys based on a 'threat of violence.' The guy had said, 'watch and see what happens.'

Of course that could be interpreted any number of ways. The union fought it, and the guy kept his job. It didn't even get as far as a grievance panel, much less arbitration. It was an open-and-shut case.

It's a similar situation with the so-called transcript of Trump's call with Zelensky. It can be interpreted however you wish. If you're a Democrat, you think it's an impeachable abuse of power; if a Republican, you think not. The burden of proof lies with the accuser, and there's no proof in that so-called transcript.
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Old 12-12-2019, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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There is no "deep state" and your and Trump's and Barr's use of the word spying is very telling as it is not a word used by law enforcement, it is used by propagandists.
"Spy" is an English word. Is the AG now forbidden from using certain English words?
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