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Old 12-12-2019, 02:09 PM
 
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Look General Lee is seen as a great American General who was fighting for his home state and nearly won the war against all odds. He was a man of his era and most people aren't even thinking about the slavery aspect. I don't see any similarity to the foreign dictators of the more recent era. And frankly I don't care what foreigners do in their countries. I wished foreigners here would stop butting into things too.
Then why were the vast majority of the statues of Lee put up long after the civil war? I'll bet you'll be hard pressed to find many civil war monuments that were actually put up during the civil war era. A few, possibly, but the vast majority were put up during the civil rights era.

Maybe it's time for statues for the men and women of our era and not some long ago leaders of a war that threatened to tear apart our country.

 
Old 12-12-2019, 02:11 PM
 
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You need a history lesson.

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I'm not taking any biased history lessons from you .
 
Old 12-12-2019, 02:11 PM
 
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I'm talking about the intent and motivation behind these types of things. You liberals explain way things case by case hoping we won't see the forest for the trees.
What was the motivation of putting up civil war monuments during the civil rights era?
 
Old 12-12-2019, 02:13 PM
 
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Is there nothing in Southern heritage worth recognizing except those 5 years where you threw away hundreds of thousands of lives in an attempt to keep human beings as chattel?
Blues, BBQ and bourbon. If you ever get down south we have some great little blues joints.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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I'm not taking any biased history lessons from you .
Well keep putting your fingers in your ears all you want. It doesn't change the facts of WHY these monuments were erected.

Maybe you're a member of the League of the South or the SCV? Does that explain why you're triggered?
 
Old 12-12-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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Then why were the vast majority of the statues of Lee put up long after the civil war? I'll bet you'll be hard pressed to find many civil war monuments that were actually put up during the civil war era. A few, possibly, but the vast majority were put up during the civil rights era.

Maybe it's time for statues for the men and women of our era and not some long ago leaders of a war that threatened to tear apart our country.
Well for starters, one doesn't usually commemorate historical figures until long after they've passed on.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Austin
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the statue is beautiful. I thought the work of the artist was dreck after seeing his official Obama portrait and other works, but this statue has changed my mind. he is a talented artist.

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Old 12-12-2019, 02:17 PM
 
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Well for starters, one doesn't usually commemorate historical figures until long after they've passed on.
For another they were put up to remind blacks of their place while they were fighting for their civil rights as American citizens.

Again if cities vote to remove that's up to their citizens. But that hasn't happened in this case anyone can put up any statue they want on private property.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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We been through this already. The real intent based on long observations I believe is to denigrate and step by step tear down and replace every thing white. How much clearer can I make it?
Hate to break it to you, pal, but one day, all Americans will be shades of cafe au lait. Likelihood is that your child, grandchild and/or great grandchild will have mixed race children.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 02:21 PM
 
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I notice you cast a lot of aspersions and shade on American heritage.
I notice you don't much care to stay on subject. Lee's achievements are nothing to be proud of, the color of his skin has nothing to do with that.

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You don't see me imposing myself in Denmark and criticizing everything do you?
Nothing's stopping you. We certainly have a huge collection of skeletons in the closet. But we do try to learn from our national mistakes, and not glorify them. This Southern predilection for looking on the Lost Cause as some honorable undertaking and the antebellum days as a noble past - it is absurd.
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