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Old 12-12-2019, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Virginia is turning into a liberal cesspool, led by the "black-face" governor whom the Democrats have all forgiven.
Do you really think someone wearing blackface twenty years ago is unforgivable?

 
Old 12-12-2019, 10:38 PM
 
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Yep. An apologist for the lost cause. Why am I not surprised?
Well unlike some people I take the traditional view of history and not a critical theorist malevolent view.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 10:44 PM
 
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Well, the South brought it on itself. The South felt holding on to slavery was more important than anything else. It wanted secession so badly because it wanted to keep slavery. The South felt picked on because it felt owning people was more important that being part of the USA.
But that applies to the ownership and leadership class. The average Southerner didn't hold slaves, was harmed more than benefited and was just being loyal to their state. The slave angle is just something some insist on shoehorning into the matter today for their own purposes.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Well unlike some people I take the traditional view of history and not a critical theorist malevolent view.
Yep, I guess that includes traditional views on race...as of the 1950s. Just staaap. You're not fooling anyone with that goobledygook obfuscation.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 11:09 PM
 
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Yep, I guess that includes traditional views on race...as of the 1950s. Just staaap. You're not fooling anyone with that goobledygook obfuscation.
You can pretty much map out what someone is trying to say just by tracing the path they take around their true words. Heheh..
 
Old 12-12-2019, 11:10 PM
 
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Yep, I guess that includes traditional views on race...as of the 1950s. Just staaap. You're not fooling anyone with that goobledygook obfuscation.
No that's not what the traditional view of history is about at all. It means to understand and explain history as it was understood in its time rather than criticize and judge it to further some agenda. You are the one obfuscating.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 11:14 PM
 
Location: In Your Head
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Real "streetwear" would have the statue wearing his pants around his knees.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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No that's not what the traditional view of history is about at all. It means to understand and explain history as it was understood in its time rather than criticize and judge it to further some agenda. You are the one obfuscating.
Puhleez. Yeah, that's a self-serving comment of yours because you want it to go back in time of that history, to justify your own biases.

The immigration restrictionist, who whines incessantly about current demographics, cries about the 1965 immigration policy and wishes it would go retroactive? If you really are practicing what you're preaching, you'd recognize in the 1950s and 1960s that it was biased against non-Europeans because of country quotas. The 1965 policy lifted these quotas and made it fairer. That was true then, that was true now. And you've been on record here opposing the 1965 immigration laws because you don't like the demographics today. That's pretty darned clear.

You're not fooling anyone with your attempts at hiding your retrograde views on race and immigration.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 11:26 PM
 
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Puhleez. Yeah, that's a self-serving comment of yours because you want it to go back in time of that history, to justify your own biases.

The immigration restrictionist, who whines incessantly about current demographics, cries about the 1965 immigration policy and wishes it would go retroactive? If you really are practicing what you're preaching, you'd recognize in the 1950s and 1960s that it was biased against non-Europeans because of country quotas. The 1965 policy lifted these quotas and made it fairer. That was true then, that was true now. And you've been on record here opposing the 1965 immigration laws because you don't like the demographics today. That's pretty darned clear.

You're not fooling anyone with your attempts at hiding your retrograde views on race and immigration.
Well whatever. You call the 1965 immigration act and later amendments fairer. I call it unfair to Americans, conceived with bad intent and with bad motives and a dismal failure. It's done nothing but increase inequality, and liberals claim they are for equality. You have long been here, so why do you adamantly insist on open borders forever? It's very suspect.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Well whatever. You call the 1965 immigration act fairer. I call it unfair to Americans, conceived with bad intent and with bad motives and a dismal failure.
Au contraire. The 1965 immigration act is fairer to Americans like me. In fact, many of us weren't even allowed to become naturalized before then. It doesn't take away any of your rights as citizens, except your ability to lord it over others and discriminate. That's a pretty darned good thing.

Go kindly choke on your twisted notions that only folks like you are "real Americans". Your grandparents' era isn't coming back, and we're a better and more equitable society for it. Putting up a statue to counteract the myths of the noble Confederacy is a great step in the right direction that is long overdue.
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