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I honestly don't know a lot about the 475 Limbaugh. It came up in another thread where a poster said he owned one, and that it was even more powerful than a magnum. That would make it quite possibly the most powerful gun on planet earth. The poster referred to it as a "monster."
The carbine, 9mm, and magnum are all particularly powerful weapons that are favored by drug cartels. They all belong in the hands of POLICE ONLY. These are weapons that are designed for the mass slaughter of innocents.
" These are weapons that are designed for the mass slaughter of innocents."
So, in your mind all these people should NOT have been allowed to defend themselves.
Some of you have gone off the deep end in you opposition to any control or regulation. Some of you seem to advocate chaos when it comes to weapons. Hunting with a rocket launcher is nonsensical.
I'm a strong 2nd amendment advocate, active in the NRA. I hunt and own multiple weapons. Weapons used by individuals and developed for offensive intent was never ever part and parcel of the 2nd amendment. It was always about individual defensive/protective needs and the right to defend ones self with arms... that is why the term is used. What part of that is not understandable.
You lose every time you go "anything goes".... and that just not true or the founders intent. That position will lead to one of chaos and lawlessness. History tells us this is true.
Arms = weapons in common use, that an individual can keep and employ, for the purposes defense and protection.
No tanks, no cannons, no rocket launchers, no nukes
Some of you have gone off the deep end in you opposition to any control or regulation. Some of you seem to advocate chaos when it comes to weapons. Hunting with a rocket launcher is nonsensical.
I'm a strong 2nd amendment advocate, active in the NRA. I hunt and own multiple weapons. Weapons used by individuals and developed for offensive intent was never ever part and parcel of the 2nd amendment. It was always about individual defensive/protective needs and the right to defend ones self with arms... that is why the term is used. What part of that is not understandable.
You lose every time you go "anything goes".... and that just not true or the founders intent. That position will lead to one of chaos and lawlessness. History tells us this is true.
Arms = weapons in common use, that an individual can keep and employ, for the purposes defense and protection.
No tanks, no cannons, no rocket launchers, no nukes
To the first...... all weapons can be use offensively or defensively.
To the second......... such as the AR and AK platforms? With an estimated 20 million in circulation they are certainly in common use.
Some of you have gone off the deep end in you opposition to any control or regulation. Some of you seem to advocate chaos when it comes to weapons. Hunting with a rocket launcher is nonsensical.
I'm a strong 2nd amendment advocate, active in the NRA. I hunt and own multiple weapons. Weapons used by individuals and developed for offensive intent was never ever part and parcel of the 2nd amendment. It was always about individual defensive/protective needs and the right to defend ones self with arms... that is why the term is used. What part of that is not understandable.
You lose every time you go "anything goes".... and that just not true or the founders intent. That position will lead to one of chaos and lawlessness. History tells us this is true.
The new government wanted us to be able to fight back if our government became aggressive. That was the primary purpose of the 2nd. They had just fought their way out of the tyrannical British rule and knew how bad it could be.
And for further discussion, do you think as we go into the 2020s America will drift more towards gun rights or gun reform depending on who's President?
Facts:
- Gun Reform? It's not the guns, they've been trying to do this for decades and it hasn't affected criminals.
- Whether it pertains to guns or crimes, criminals will always break laws and banning guns will not keep them out of the hands of criminals.
- Murder is against the law but that hasn't stopped murderers.
You can't legislate a constitutional right (The Second Amendment) away from decent Americans because of the actions of a few, and whether or not you want guns should be up to the individual, not politicians or government.
When in doubt, refer to the words: The Right To Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed.
You are getting good at speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
Make up your mind and run with it.
This is the 2nd time you accidentally say the same thing I said, and no doubt you'll walk it back again when you realize you are contradicting yourself.
Sometimes you have common sense, and sometimes only ideological talking points.
As you can see from my comments I would favor very few additions to the laws we already have, and based on NRA survey most gun owners in US agree with me.
I favor a national CCW permit which requires the things I mentioned (practically all already exist), and even today the basic handling course it included in CCW class, and criminal background check is also included.
Perhaps you just like to disagree for the sake of disagreeing.
If you insist on claiming I contradict myself, be specific. I believe my position is clear and consistent.
When I read your words, it seems to me that in advocating a uniform national policy for CCW, you are in reality requiring a defacto obligation to secure a CCW permit, which includes background checks, and safety training as a prerequisite ? That being the case, I strongly disagree, and the reason is simple and straight forward. This, or any other “requirement” immediately converts the “right” of firearm ownership/carry into a “privilege”. The problem with this ought to be obvious .... rights cannot be denied, while privileges can be. One need not seek permission to exercise a right, but privileges require permission, i.e., CCW “permit” (permission).
With regard to my comment about no sane rational person wants criminals and crazy people to have firearms, lets be clear .... that does not mean that I am in favor of laws intended to prevent criminals and crazy people from purchasing firearms, because such laws would only serve to make it more burdensome for law abiding citizens, as well as effectively turning a right into a privilege. Therefore, we need to deal with criminals and crazy people from a law enforcement and mental health perspective, rather than craft more laws that both criminals and crazies will continue to ignore.
Again, any mandatory step .... background check, safety training requirement, waiting period, or other mandate is simply not acceptable. Those who want to ignore the clear language of the 2nd Amendment which unequivocally states that “the right to keep and bear arms shall not be (limited or restricted) “infringed”, have an endless list of limitations and restrictions they promote as “common sense”. And each one is just the next step in the greater agenda of doing away with the right to keep and bear arms, altogether.
^^^^^This. Private entities and citizens were allowed to have major implements of war. Now we are much more restricted, but if you have the cash, and a clean background you can still buy artillery, tanks, etc.
The US Constitution grants Congress the power of issuing 'letters of marque,' i.e. license to own and operate a war ship. This implies that the Second Amendment does not extend to such implements of war. I would argue that it could apply also to the AR-15 and 9mm, which after all were designed as a weapons of war, for purposes of mass slaughter.
To the first...... all weapons can be use offensively or defensively.
To the second......... such as the AR and AK platforms? With an estimated 20 million in circulation they are certainly in common use.
I own both... AR's and AK's along with an SKS.
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