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Old 12-16-2019, 12:20 PM
 
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To paraphrase the Speaker of the House, we have to drain the swamp to see who's in it. What we're seeing now is the creatures that lurk within the swamp scrambling to remain hidden as the waters recede. It was always going to be ugly.
Also heard this this morning...

Lindsey Graham will not try to “pretend to be a fair juror” should Donald Trump face an impeachment trial in the US Senate.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-a-fair-juror
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Old 12-16-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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You can choose to ignore the evidence that happened right in front of all of our faces, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

To clarify, obstruction of Congress is against the law. That one isn't even debatable.
Executive privilege.

But ignoring that for a moment, you're crime is process laws?

Congress, "Jump through 50 hoops and give us every document there is so we can comb through it and find a crime. If we can't find a crime, we will leak stuff to embarrass people and effect the election. If you refuse to play our game, you're obstructing."

Basically, the crime was winning the election unless you can point out an actual crime.
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Old 12-16-2019, 12:22 PM
 
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"Rule of law" has been circling the garbage can for 100 years

if we (the government) followed the rule of law and our constitution, then we would not have prohibited alcohol in the 1920's, we would not have prohibited hemp/cannabis in the 1937, we would not have split countries up in 1944, would not have allowed a POTUS to sleep with and possibly kill MM, we would not have allowed LBJ to make Vietnam bigger, etc, etc.

you can paste "lack of rule of law" onto almost every POTUS of the last 100 years... especially including the last 5
Again, is this some sort of argument against the rule of law? Because of the failings? Are you disagreeing with what the author of the piece is arguing? Really hard to tell or believe, but sort of reads that way...
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Old 12-16-2019, 12:22 PM
 
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oh...just how did Trump obstruct congress...congress CAN NOT order someone to appear, they can request it, but not ORDER it...and when the request is received, the person9s0 receiving it CAN and SHOULD take it to court, and have the court make this order, a lawful order. the democrats skipped that part... therefore there is no obstruction of congress, because congress BYPASSED the "rule of law" (the very topic of this thread) in their egotistical way... congress is the legislative branch...not the judicial branch

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There is not a chapter in the liberal handbook for proper deflection
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Old 12-16-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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Lots of people have been credited for that quote, so while you might want to repeat it, you may want to refrain from giving credit to Reagan when he definitely didn't originate it.
Thanks for the warning. I always want to avoid attributing a quote to the wrong person, and in this case since I like the quote, maybe I'll just forget about who first said it and take credit for it myself.
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Old 12-16-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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You can choose to ignore the evidence that happened right in front of all of our faces, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

To clarify, obstruction of Congress is against the law. That one isn't even debatable.
To further clarify, obstruction of Congress was invented for this impeachment. They made it up because they know for a fact that they failed to invoke the actual rule of law where their subpoenas were concerned by handing it off to the judiciary, which would then open up obstruction of justice (an actual crime) if Trump still refused a court order.

Obstructing Congress is a DUTY of the Executive branch, featured prominently in Article II of the US Constitution. Co-equal branches of government not cooperating with each other is a feature, not a bug. That's why it is not an actual crime, but a made up one, akin to saying "we further find the President guilty of constantly annoying us and not letting us have our way, even when our way is totally outside the rule of law. He's a meanie and a doo-doo head!" The President is supposed to stymie and annoy Congress. That's the Executive's job as check on Legislative power.
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Old 12-16-2019, 12:25 PM
 
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There is no evidence Trump has broken any laws.
Another who likely didn't bother to read or consider what the author of this piece is trying to argue. Then we wonder how or why it is we can't seem to agree about much...
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Old 12-16-2019, 12:26 PM
 
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I think a primary aspect of believing in the rule of law is that everyone has their opinion about right, wrong and who is doing either. With all due respect to your opinions about that too...

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/car...-20191211.html

The rule of law is supposed to rise above that sort of opinion and render verdicts and punishment in order to promote all the author of this article is arguing. Can't say there isn't plenty right and/or wrong being done by people on both sides of the political spectrum, but the argument is for a better respect and or demand from our politicians to promote the rule of law. Not subvert it.
Well, start with the Democrats in the House, because subverting the rule of law to exact political vengeance for 2016 is all they do.
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Old 12-16-2019, 12:28 PM
 
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Well, the rule of law would say no, given the supremacy of the 4th Amendment.
Not sure the protection from unlawful searches and seizures of American citizens applies all that well to disclosure of tax returns by elected politicians, but then again I'm not sure we should NEED the rule of law for a politician to be transparent about such things. Lots of politicians haven't needed such a reason anyway.
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Old 12-16-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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Another who likely didn't bother to read or consider what the author of this piece is trying to argue. Then we wonder how or why it is we can't seem to agree about much...
Author, "Orange man bad. If we search hard enough, we will find a crime."

Meanwhile, Hillary actually committed a crime, but since that wasn't her intent.....

Meanwhile, FBI agent, "We need to insure we can take Trump down."
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