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Old 12-19-2019, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Nancy's terrified of Mitch. She knows Team Turtle will shred her with facts, and testimony. She knows having Joe & Hunter Biden testify will eliminate Sleepy Joe from the 2020 race, so that leaves angry old Bernie...the self-proclaimed Socialist. That's a guaranteed Orange Crush landslide victory for the Trumpster.

Then, they'd have to push Hillary out in a wheelchair, for the 'ole Screech Owl to try again. That means Bernie's band of Socialists stay home on election day, and they are ~25% of the Dems votes. Making matters worse, Trump now has as much as 34% minority approval. And, the Dems just alientated the Independents with Russia-Ukraine-Impeach gates. Hillary's headline: "Deplorables Demolish Dems"

So now, here we are stuck in the middle of Nancy's imperfect impeachment, and she has no play. It's 4th down and 37 yards to go. She's burning her time outs, and she's twitching uncontrollably.

Meanwhile, Trump keeps naming Conservative Judges, holding packed Rally's, and governing. The economy is strong, and his polling #'s stable. The longer the imperfect impeachment drags on, the better Trumps approval numbers get

Since we are in a rain-delay, let's re-run all of Regan's speeches on a continuous loop until Nancy calls a play, or until another seat on the Supreme Court opens up We can do a split screen with Trump playing golf with Rush Limbaugh, Boris Johnson, and Jair Bolsonaro
Yeah, her reasoning for holding the articles of impeachment is not a good strategy. From the outside looking in, it appears they are holding on to them out of rage, out of the fact they don't really think they made the best choice to impeach, or they don't understand the process.

Pelosi thinks it will "damage" Trump more and allow the Democrats to keep adding charges and spin the investigative wheels throughout 2020.

What a train wreck the Democratic party has become.

The party of absolute disarray. They'll keep on losing if they keep acting like the alcoholic cousin who can't do anything right LOL ... wow.
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:44 AM
 
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No, perjury and obstruction of justice are.... you know the things he was impeached for.
So then trump just needs to take the stand and not perjurer himself and he should be all set.
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:45 AM
 
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Some people are urging Pelosi to have the impeachment vote in the House but to not send the articles to the Senate if McConnell refuses to hold a trial with witnesses. Trump would remain impeached forever and never exonerated by the Senate. He could never crow about being found not guilty.

I think she should do it. McConnell does not want a fair trial presumably because he knows Bolton will sink Trump. If Trump is not guilty he should welcome an open fair trail not a whitewash.
Keep in mind that in an actual trial the defense can also call and question witnesses and in the Senate the chair isn’t held by a Democrat who will try to prevent Republicans from asking questions of the witnesses that the Democrats don’t want asked nor answered.
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:45 AM
 
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So then trump just needs to take the stand and not perjurer himself and he should be all set.
He doesn't even need to take the stand. All he needs to do is stop affirmatively instructing others to defy Congressional subpoenas and let the witnesses and documents speak for themselves.
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:46 AM
 
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Some people are urging Pelosi to have the impeachment vote in the House but to not send the articles to the Senate if McConnell refuses to hold a trial with witnesses. Trump would remain impeached forever and never exonerated by the Senate. He could never crow about being found not guilty.

I think she should do it. McConnell does not want a fair trial presumably because he knows Bolton will sink Trump. If Trump is not guilty he should welcome an open fair trail not a whitewash.

WAIT.



He's NOT IMPEACHED until Nancy delivers it to the Senate.
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:47 AM
 
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Keep in mind that in an actual trial the defense can also call and question witnesses and in the Senate the chair isn’t held by a Democrat who will try to prevent Republicans from asking questions of the witnesses that the Democrats don’t want asked nor answered.
Other than questions designed at revealing the identity of the whistleblower, Republicans were free to ask any question they liked.
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:47 AM
 
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He doesn't even need to take the stand. All he needs to do is stop affirmatively instructing others to defy Congressional subpoenas and let the witnesses and documents speak for themselves.

The US Supreme Court sided with Trump on this. You are simply displaying partisan bias.
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:48 AM
 
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The US Supreme Court sided with Trump on this. You are simply displaying partisan bias.
Did they now? Can you give us a quote and a pin cite to their decision?
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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Regardless of whether you think it is appropriate or not, anyone who knows anything about Chief Justice Roberts knows he wouldn't preside over a trial without House participation.
If they refuse to show up, then I would think not. LOL.
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Getting a blow jobs a crime?
He lied to Congress, and lied under oath. He perjured himself.
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