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Once again today 12/18/2019 the Republicans are saying that the President was denied Due Process. I want it clear to those of you that have fallen victim to Republican lies that impeachment is not an indictment. During an indictment only the DA and the grand jury sit to hear evidence. The House is the grand jury. The House leadership has the role of the DA. They then vote to indict which leads to a formal arrest and trial.
Fox News and the Republican leadership treats you like you are simple minded sheep. Investigate this on your own and find the truth.
Once again today 12/18/2019 the Republicans are saying that the President was denied Due Process. I want it clear to those of you that have fallen victim to Republican lies that impeachment is not an indictment. During an indictment only the DA and the grand jury sit to hear evidence. The House is the grand jury. The House leadership has the role of the DA. They then vote to indict which leads to a formal arrest and trial.
Fox News and the Republican leadership treats you like you are simple minded sheep. Investigate this on your own and find the truth.
Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
The House is not a " Grand Jury"
A Grand Jury is composed of ordinary American citizens, that are asked to do their civic duty to participate in the Judicial System.
The " House Leadership" is a representation of the political party that is the majority, which happens to be in this case, the party not that of the POTUS.
Nice try though.
Once again today 12/18/2019 the Republicans are saying that the President was denied Due Process. I want it clear to those of you that have fallen victim to Republican lies that impeachment is not an indictment. During an indictment only the DA and the grand jury sit to hear evidence. The House is the grand jury. The House leadership has the role of the DA. They then vote to indict which leads to a formal arrest and trial.
Fox News and the Republican leadership treats you like you are simple minded sheep. Investigate this on your own and find the truth.
Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
Cute story bro. However, a grand jury is staffed with "peers" of the accused, not those determined to "indict" the accused, regardless of lack of evidence. They are supposed to be impartial and make decisions based on evidence and facts. Grand juries are not created to promote a failing political party.
Once again today 12/18/2019 the Republicans are saying that the President was denied Due Process. I want it clear to those of you that have fallen victim to Republican lies that impeachment is not an indictment. During an indictment only the DA and the grand jury sit to hear evidence. The House is the grand jury. The House leadership has the role of the DA. They then vote to indict which leads to a formal arrest and trial.
Fox News and the Republican leadership treats you like you are simple minded sheep. Investigate this on your own and find the truth.
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Cute story bro. However, a grand jury is staffed with "peers" of the accused, not those determined to "indict" the accused, regardless of lack of evidence. They are supposed to be impartial and make decisions based on evidence and facts. Grand juries are not created to promote a failing political party.
And as some very conveniently ignore, Presidents are not elected to use the power of government for their own personal gain.
Once again today 12/18/2019 the Republicans are saying that the President was denied Due Process. I want it clear to those of you that have fallen victim to Republican lies that impeachment is not an indictment. During an indictment only the DA and the grand jury sit to hear evidence. The House is the grand jury. The House leadership has the role of the DA. They then vote to indict which leads to a formal arrest and trial.
Fox News and the Republican leadership treats you like you are simple minded sheep. Investigate this on your own and find the truth.
Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
Speaking of sheep, history will not be kind to the abuse of power the Democrat sheep have shown here.
Despite the pomp and circumstance, this is a total political sham.
The ballot box come November 2020 will not be kind to Democrats, either.
If Democrats lose the House, President Trump will have broken them officially.
That is in fact all impeachment is - an indictment, just one that is based purely on politics and carrying no weight of law whatsoever.
It does not have to follow legal notions of due process any more than Pelosi saying "Orange Man Bad" needs to follow due process. It is quite literally a formalized political opinion of the simple majority of the House. They will vote on that opinion and ask the Senate to either agree or disagree with that opinion. If they agree, the opinion of Orange Man Bad means Bad Orange Man will be removed from office. If they disagree, th Democrats ill continue their daily Orange Man Bad proclamations until Jan 2025, and add the "and he was impeached he was so terribad!" caveat to strengthen their position on the matter. That's it. That's all.
None of it requires actual due process like a court of law. It is literally formalized opinions. Nothing more, nothing less.
The Republicans didn't get to play in the House, and the Democrats won't get to play in the Senate, and Trump will stay in office while the two sides continue to disagree on their overall opinion of the Bad Orange Man. Due process won't have dick_all to do with it.
That is in fact all impeachment is - an indictment, just one that is based purely on politics and carrying no weight of law whatsoever.
It does not have to follow legal notions of due process any more than Pelosi saying "Orange Man Bad" needs to follow due process. It is quite literally a formalized political opinion of the simple majority of the House. They will vote on that opinion and ask the Senate to either agree or disagree with that opinion. If they agree, the opinion of Orange Man Bad means Bad Orange Man will be removed from office.
None of it requires actual due process like a court of law. It is literally formalized opinions. Nothing more, nothing less.
The Republicans didn't get to play in the House, and the Democrats won't get to play in the Senate, and Trump will stay in office while the two sides continue to disagree on their overall opinion of the Bad Orange Man. Due process won't have dick_all to do with it.
The goal is to affect the 2020 election and try and take the Senate.
Trump is good at exposing the broken corrupt system and keeps on punching.
Democrats are not going to be happy with the results of these actions.
Most commonly, there is a grand jury empaneled to investigate the allegations against a president, with an independent prosecutor.
This event didn't have anything of the sort. AG Barr was never going to appoint a prosecutor, and the law currently does not allow for the independence of one like Leon Jaworski had, or Ken Starr. Any prosecutor appointed would be under the supervision of the Attorney General, with clipped wings like Mueller was, and the current Attorney General had no intention of appointing one.
This time the Congress had to gather the facts on it's own, and closed committee sessions are very common in Congress, so the procedures they followed to gather information are perfectly legitimate.
In fact, the congress has operated under rules approved by a Republican congress before them, no change in the rules for this.
It is notable that Republicans have focused on 'process' and 'fairness', but never yet on the facts. This is a sad day for the Republican Party. The Party of Lincoln is no longer grand, it is in fact dead.
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