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Old 12-19-2019, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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When a white nationalist and mass killer is flashing it in a courtroom...the jokes over. Its a white power symbol.

So one or even more idiots use it so therefore NOBDDY ELSE CAN. That is beyond ridiculous. I guess just hide under your bed if everything offends you. Oh no! Someone made a hand gesture! Give me a fainting couch, I have the VAPORS. Oh, no there is a picture of a Nazi soldier on the internet. I need an inhaler! Really???


What you and some others are promoting is the elimination of Free Speech. Take it to the Soviet Union or even Europe. We don't want it here!
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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so one or even more idiots use it so therefore nobddy else can. That is beyond ridiculous. I guess just hide under your bed if everything offends you. oh no! Someone made a hand gesture! Give me a fainting couch, i have the vapors. Oh, no there is a picture of a nazi soldier on the internet. I need an inhaler! really???


What you and some others are promoting is the elimination of free speech. Take it to the soviet union or even europe. We don't want it here!
lol exactly!
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I think most of you never heard of Joachim Peiper before this thread, but I know about him, and his nickname was "Blowtorch" for his ravages across Russia.

Now that Trump is President, it seems to be okay to celebrate Nazi war criminals. Just another step toward fascism, which has never seemed more possible than it does today.
I respect your opinion, but with google, I think most people would know exactly who Peiper was and what he has done. I can only speak for myself, I highly doubt the person who posted the photo has an evil intent, I doubt he/she wanted to honor a white supremacist Nazi war criminal. By the way, not everything is about Trump.

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You think those surviving vets would like to see Blowtorch Peiper on their unit Facebook page?

Yea, what a great honor. I'm guessing whoever put that page together don't know squat about their actions in December 1944.
hmm, I can't speak for anybody else, my fiance and my brother are both combat vets. My two uncles are vets (not combat vets), my fiance's father is a combat vet, his two brothers are combat vets, his grandfather was a ww2 combat vet (passed away several years ago) I doubt any of them would be offended by somebody's careless action. Intention is everything. Many of the combat veterans in my opinion have a very twisted humor. I don't think anybody can really speak for ALL of them. Certainly many would find the photo to be offensive, many would not. ALL their opinions should be acknowledged and respected. After all, we are who we are through experiences.

according to this article,

"However, not everyone was outraged by the posting. Boris Stern, an Army veteran of the Battle of the Bulge, told Military Times he was not really concerned about the posting after learning about the incident."

This said, whether or not this photo should be posted is debatable.

To me, this means nothing more than a picture to a name that is historic in context. The story is well-known, who the players were are largely in our heads. The photo brings a sense of factual realism. It seems some have become too sensitive to even look at a historic photo.

All these said, I understand why this photo can be viewed as inappropriate and potentially offensive by many. There are better ways to remember the history or to honor the ww2 vets, I agree. What I disagree with is saying there is a "white power" vibe based on one photo.

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Old 12-19-2019, 09:58 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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So one or even more idiots use it so therefore NOBDDY ELSE CAN. That is beyond ridiculous. I guess just hide under your bed if everything offends you. Oh no! Someone made a hand gesture! Give me a fainting couch, I have the VAPORS. Oh, no there is a picture of a Nazi soldier on the internet. I need an inhaler! Really???
lol...you're adorable..


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What you and some others are promoting is the elimination of Free Speech. Take it to the Soviet Union or even Europe. We don't want it here!
You are free to make the OK hand signal whenever you want. Exempt every other person who sees you do it, especially if they are younger is gonna assume you are a white nationalist. If you what people to know that you are a white nationalist, then go ahead and use it. If you wish to hide that fact from others then I would advise you to not do it. Whatever..your call.
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:07 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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"However, not everyone was outraged by the posting. Boris Stern, an Army veteran of the Battle of the Bulge, told Military Times he was not really concerned about the posting after learning about the incident."

This said, whether or not this photo should be posted is debatable.

To me, this means nothing more than a picture to a name that is historic in context. The story is well-known, who the players were are largely in our heads. The photo brings a sense of factual realism. It seems some have become too sensitive to even look at a historic photo.

All these said, I understand why this photo can be viewed as inappropriate and potentially offensive by many. There are better ways to remember to honor the ww2 vets, I agree. What I disagree with is saying there is a "white power" vibe based on one photo.
Had this been posted 10 years ago nobody would have cared, or at the least it would have garnered far less press. The rash of stories coming out of the military, White House, Homeland Security and FBI of closeted white nationalist being outed has made incidents like the one here much more serious.

Also who do you think first brought this post to the attention of the media? Members of the armed forces. A few military members tweeted about the post in disgust and that is how the story broke. Are they a bunch of whiny liberals for finding the post insulting?

Those attempting to downplay the incident are either being purposely obtuse and thus not acting in good faith or they are just really dumb.
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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Is this the thread where white nationalists pretend to be stupid about the concept of "context"?
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Had this been posted 10 years ago nobody would have cared, or at the least it would have garnered far less press. The rash of stories coming out of the military, White House, Homeland Security and FBI of closeted white nationalist being outed has made incidents like the one here much more serious.

Also who do you think first brought this post to the attention of the media? Members of the armed forces. A few military members tweeted about the post in disgust and that is how the story broke. Are they a bunch of whiny liberals for finding the post insulting?

Those attempting to downplay the incident are either being purposely obtuse and thus not acting in good faith or they are just really dumb.
I said nothing about whiny liberals.

ALL I am saying is that I don't agree with the demonizing without all the facts. Intention is everything.
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:15 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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So one or even more idiots use it so therefore NOBDDY ELSE CAN. That is beyond ridiculous. I guess just hide under your bed if everything offends you. Oh no! Someone made a hand gesture! Give me a fainting couch, I have the VAPORS. Oh, no there is a picture of a Nazi soldier on the internet. I need an inhaler! Really???


What you and some others are promoting is the elimination of Free Speech. Take it to the Soviet Union or even Europe. We don't want it here!
i guess he's ok with letting 4chan trolls dictate what can and cannot be spoken or signified.

maybe the 4chan miscreants can convince the world that the name Ken has white power connotations, that should be hysterical.
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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i guess he's ok with letting 4chan trolls dictate what can and cannot be spoken or signified.

maybe the 4chan miscreants can convince the world that the name Ken has white power connotations, that should be hysterical.
I think people choose to see what they want to see. (We all do it, so it is just human nature, I guess)

according to the article,

The Airborne Corps said in a Facebook post on Tuesday morning that the “intent was to tell the full story of the Battle of the Bulge, which will continue here, by explaining the incredible odds that were stacked up against the American Soldier by the time the reserve was called in on 18 Dec.”

The photo may be offensive or inappropriate, but I highly doubt the person posted the photo had a bad intention. A careless mistake, may be, especially in such a political or social climate, (one can say they should've known better than that) but promoting or honoring white supremacist or celebrating Nazi war criminals? Come on.
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:28 AM
 
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ITT, folks who don’t understand context...
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