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Old 12-19-2019, 11:00 AM
 
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Can't have it all. And yes, that is one of the most important ones to me. Without the 2A , the others will fall.
Wow. So you are just outright ceding rights granted by the Constitution.

Tell me, do you like to call yourself pro liberty and small government?
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:01 AM
 
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Obergefell will be overturned AFTER bawac stops being singularly focused on homosexuality and other peoples religious view of homosexuality.
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:04 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Haha. Another sky is falling, fear-mongering thread about the "evil Christian right" again by the OP.

OP is obsessed.

Newsflash.... christian right (however you define it) is a small percentage of republicans. Hardly worth worrying about, yet it seems it stay awake at night worrying and obsessing about this.
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:05 AM
 
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Wow. So you are just outright ceding rights granted by the Constitution.

Tell me, do you like to call yourself pro liberty and small government?
What are you talking about ? How am I giving up anything ?
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:05 AM
 
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Haha. Another sky is falling, fear-mongering thread about the "evil Christian right" again by the OP.

OP is obsessed.

Newsflash.... christian right (however you define it) is a small percentage of republicans. Hardly worth worrying about, yet it seems it stay awake at night worrying and obsessing about this.
It's not some obsessed conspiracy theory when it is stated outright in the official Republican party platform.
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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What are you talking about ? How am I giving up anything ?
I referenced the 4th amendment and you just said you "can't have it all".

I would hope there are justices out there that support the entirety of the bill of Rights at a minimum.
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:10 AM
 
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I referenced the 4th amendment and you just said you "can't have it all".

I would hope there are justices out there that support the entirety of the bill of Rights at a minimum.
Yeah, we can't have it all. No one get's someone that is perfectly aligned with there beliefs. I'm a big pro 2A person, but could care less about religion. Unfortunately , those go hand in hand with the conservatives. Between what is important for you and what is important for me, I'm going with what is important for me.
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I think it's looking increasingly likely that the Obergefell vs Hodges decision that legalized gay marriage won't still stand a decade from now. The Christian Right is currently at it's apex of power and second to overturning Roe v Wade is overturning Obergefell vs Hodges, the decision that legalized same-sex marriage in all 50 states.

If this were to occur, would states have to re-ban same-sex marriage or would the bans that were in place prior to the decision be re-instated? This will make a huge difference when it comes to the future of same-sex marriage in the US. If same-sex marriage will remain legal until states pass new bans, then it's likely it will remain legal in most of the country with the exception of the Bible Belt which will likely pass new bans very quickly. If the previous bans that were in place prior to the court decision are reinstated, then it will be a very sticky situation as millions of LGBT people will have their marriages annulled overnight. Given the current homophobic cultural climate in this country, it's unlikely states that passed a constitutional ban back in 2004 or 2005 would be successful in overturning that ban by popular vote and legalizing it for at least a generation.

What do you will happen once Obergefell is overturned?
What you are talking about will NOT happen. Homophobic behavior is nowhere near what it was in 2004-05. Even "liberal" Dem Calif Senator Feinstein said that it was "too much, too soon". State after state was banning anti- gay marriage bans left and right since the animosity was so strong and politicians encouraged it. Even progressive states like Maine and California voters voted to ban same sex marriages, although close. Today, those states would not have the votes to do so. A constitutional amendment is a vey high hurdle. It must go through the Congress and then 2/3 of the state legislatures!- not easy.
With the current makeup of the Court, Kavanaugh nor Roberts would be a reliable anti-gay vote. Uncle Thomas might be gone by then, but then Ruth Buzzi Ginberg could also be gone as well.
I tend to think that Repubs give lip service to the religious vote, but don't really proactively work on their behalf that strongly. If so, much more would have been done under the Bush administration to retard the progression of social issues like reproductive choice and marriage equality. Trump himself is not really anti-gay or hyper religious, but he does tend to sell out any conscience that he might have.
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:14 AM
 
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Yeah, we can't have it all. No one get's someone that is perfectly aligned with there beliefs. I'm a big pro 2A person, but could care less about religion. Unfortunately , those go hand in hand with the conservatives. Between what is important for you and what is important for me, I'm going with what is important for me.
You don't have to jump to the Democrats. Just at a minimum write your Republican reps and ask that they support the entirety of the constitution as their oath calls for.
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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Yeah, we can't have it all. No one get's someone that is perfectly aligned with there beliefs. I'm a big pro 2A person, but could care less about religion. Unfortunately , those go hand in hand with the conservatives. Between what is important for you and what is important for me, I'm going with what is important for me.
But the government has no business getting involved in religion.

Government should neither establish a state religion nor prohibit the free exercise of it.

Thank God for the First.

BTW, nowhere in the First does it say there must be a complete separation.
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