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Old 12-22-2019, 02:42 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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Originally Posted by Mellowmike View Post
The founding fathers also didn't intend that the POTUS to be a dictator. Seems some Republicans in the Senate think differently. Ask Ms Lyndsey Graham.

All the House is asking is that Moscow Mitch allow witnesses. He refuses. Aren't witnesses generally called to testify in a trial?
The founding fathers didn't intend that impeachment be used for partisan political actions against an opponent that they do not like.

This is not a trial but it is very normal to not present a defense if the prosecution fails to present a case.

In this case the charges should be dismissed - the charges do not meet the requirement of a high crime or misdemeanor that is required to impeach.
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Old 12-22-2019, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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That's hysterical. How on earth has Trump lost his civil rights? He blocked everyone's testimony. And how did Congress slander Trump again?
Trump didn't block testimony, he asserted executive privilege - that is something that goes back to President Washington.

Schiff slandered Trump when he falsely relayed/characterized the phone conversation with the President of Ukraine - you know, the original "issue" reported by the "whistleblower".

PS - Slander is "a false and malicious spoken statement"
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Old 12-22-2019, 03:23 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Trump didn't block testimony, he asserted executive privilege - that is something that goes back to President Washington.

Schiff slandered Trump when he falsely relayed/characterized the phone conversation with the President of Ukraine - you know, the original "issue" reported by the "whistleblower".

PS - Slander is "a false and malicious spoken statement"
the real question coming out of the hearings was: Who got impeached? When you look at some of the testimony it looks like the Trump's haters exposed the conspiracy: https://madworldnews.com/nunes-schiff-vindman-colluded/.

Lets face it very few people watched the sham impeachment and only a few watched the Democratic debates. So who is the real loser here on an agenda that started just after Hilary lost!
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Old 12-22-2019, 05:49 AM
 
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the real question coming out of the hearings was: Who got impeached? When you look at some of the testimony it looks like the Trump's haters exposed the conspiracy: https://madworldnews.com/nunes-schiff-vindman-colluded/.

Lets face it very few people watched the sham impeachment and only a few watched the Democratic debates. So who is the real loser here on an agenda that started just after Hilary lost!
Few watched because anyone with half a functioning brain knows he’s a crook and that he would be impeached. Why sit through and watch all the boring grandstanding by politicians ? Just vote and get him impeached for crying out loud.
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Old 12-22-2019, 05:53 AM
 
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Few watched because anyone with half a functioning brain knows he’s a crook and that he would be impeached. Why sit through and watch all the boring grandstanding by politicians ? Just vote and get him impeached for crying out loud.

People who have a brain, know it was nothing more than a partisan stunt by the Democrats. And that's highlighted by Pelosi's refusal to complete the impeachment and send it to the Senate where they will decide IF the impeachment was constitutional & justified.



Democrats are scared to death of this because they know it was nothing but an unfair witch hunt.
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Old 12-22-2019, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Boston
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People who have a brain, know it was nothing more than a partisan stunt by the Democrats. And that's highlighted by Pelosi's refusal to complete the impeachment and send it to the Senate where they will decide IF the impeachment was constitutional & justified.



Democrats are scared to death of this because they know it was nothing but an unfair witch hunt.
to dumb this down for many, consider this a homework assignment never turned into the teacher (McConnell). How did that turn out for you when you were 10? McConnell is not budging. You guys don't understand the game, his Chamber, his rules --- just like Pelosi in the House. you should have thought this through before you ever went down this road.

Nobody likes a loser.
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Old 12-22-2019, 06:01 AM
 
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So does that mean democrats in the house can hold up the trial in the senate until after the next election?
No. Doing that deprives Trump the right to a speedy trial. As guaranteed by the constitution.
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Old 12-22-2019, 06:22 AM
 
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Your argument fails on this single point. You express opinion as fact.


The Jefferson's Manual spells out exactly what the House MUST DO to complete an impeachment. And it's a lot more than just "transmitting it to the Senate". It requires another resolution to name the House managers who will take it there, and other similar actions, which Nancy put on hold.


Trump has not been impeached.

Since you are so familiar with the Jefferson Manual, why not point us to the appropriate section? Or is it just something you heard on Fox?
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Old 12-22-2019, 06:24 AM
 
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They didn't have a crime. There was NO predicate. NONE. Nothing. The Separation of Powers is quite clear. Trump is not the property of Congresses majority. They had no crime for Trump to testify to, like they did Presidents in the past. Obstructing Congress is some made up crap. Abusing his power? Even if he did, is that a misdemeanor or a felony?
From the articles of impeachment:

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Through these actions, President Trump sought to arrogate to himself the right to determine the propriety, scope, and nature of an impeachment inquiry into his own conduct, as well as the unilateral prerogative to deny any and all information to the House of Representatives in the exercise of its "sole Power of Impeachment". In the history of the Republic, no President has ever ordered the complete defiance of an impeachment inquiry or sought to obstruct and impede so comprehensively the ability of the House of Representatives to investigate "high Crimes and Misdemeanors". This abuse of office served to cover up the President's own repeated misconduct and to seize and control the power of impeachment—and thus to nullify a vital constitutional safeguard vested solely in the House of Representatives.
READ: Articles Of Impeachment Against President Trump

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/10/78657...resident-trump

The Trump administration attempted to 'dismiss the case' just as the Clinton administration did. Just as is done in many cases. The difference is, that ship has sailed once it goes to trial. They previously offered no defense, now they are required to present their case.
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Old 12-22-2019, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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People who have a brain, know it was nothing more than a partisan stunt by the Democrats. And that's highlighted by Pelosi's refusal to complete the impeachment and send it to the Senate where they will decide IF the impeachment was constitutional & justified.



Democrats are scared to death of this because they know it was nothing but an unfair witch hunt.
Before he took office they were talking about impeachment and other ways to turn their lose into a win. This isn't anything new. They tried women and Russia and they would love to get their hands on his finances simply as more fuel for the fire. I can easily understand why our President is not quick to give them one more thing - they will make a mountain out of a molehill.

The whole proceeding only stressed that they are more concerned with their own hides than they are the American people. I am glad I am no longer a Democrat because I was foolishly mislead!
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