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Old 12-20-2019, 10:14 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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You mean like the $28 billion in bailouts for farmers from Trump, or the proposed bailout of coal miner unions pensions estimated to cost $640 billion that was included in the budget for this year?
That's the Leftist media's biased angle. The real truth is that Trump used the extra revenue collected from the tariffs and returned it to the farmers and miners who were affected by the tariffs. The "bailouts" in this case did not cost the taxpayer anything, unlike Obama's big banks and automaker bailouts. That makes a lot of sense. Only your biased Leftist media would spin it as anything wrong and folks like you bought it up.
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Old 12-20-2019, 10:15 AM
 
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This deal is one of the defining moments of his presidency and shows his skills as a dealmaker. Now we need a China deal soon.

90% of this "deal" is what we already had in place. The rest is slight updates to reflect that the world has changed in the twenty years since NAFTA was put in place.


NAFTA light is the moniker mostly assigned.
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Old 12-20-2019, 10:20 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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You know this is a normal part of the job. We don't need fireworks to celebrate. But congratulations on getting something done, for once.
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Old 12-20-2019, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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That's the Leftist media's biased angle. The real truth is that Trump used the extra revenue collected from the tariffs and returned it to the farmers and miners who were affected by the tariffs. The "bailouts" in this case did not cost the taxpayer anything, unlike Obama's big banks and automaker bailouts. That makes a lot of sense. Only your biased Leftist media would spin it as anything wrong and folks like you bought it up.
No. The new tariffs brought in $27 billion. Trump paid out $28 billion.

Automakers bailouts were loans, as were the bank bailouts. Both were paid back. The farm bailouts are not loans as far as I know.
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Old 12-20-2019, 12:08 PM
 
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You mean like the $28 billion in bailouts for farmers from Trump, or the proposed bailout of coal miner unions pensions estimated to cost $640 billion that was included in the budget for this year?
640 billion???
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Old 12-20-2019, 12:21 PM
 
Location: AZ
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President Trump promised to renegotiate Nafta and he has delivered.

Usmca will restore North America as the hub for global auto manufacturing

Under USMCA, 75% of the content of automobile must be made in North America to qualify for duty free

Severe restrictions to keep production from moving south of the border

USMCA should bring 34 billion in investment and 200,000 jobs to North America

Open up more markets for American farmers.

Protects against currency manipulation
Hey didn’t one of your fellow co-workers lose it and shoot up the office after Putin’s speech yesterday? What a shame.
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Old 12-20-2019, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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640 billion???
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Costs of that measure were estimated to be nearly $640 billion if it became law, and it faced mixed prospects in the Senate after the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released a study saying many of the affected pension plans would never repay their bailout loans.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/year-e...n_3178466.html

But it was a smaller amount that was in the final bill. I still haven't found the final number.
If you happen to see it anywhere could you link it for me?
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Old 12-20-2019, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Well, Cato Institute doesn’t like it but Ds do.

Includes labor union and environmental protections, and limits ability of corporations to sue government. Which pretty much covers what I didn’t like about NAFTA.

Just an observation...
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Old 12-20-2019, 03:53 PM
 
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Hey didn’t one of your fellow co-workers lose it and shoot up the office after Putin’s speech yesterday? What a shame.
lol what?
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Old 12-21-2019, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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90% of this "deal" is what we already had in place. The rest is slight updates to reflect that the world has changed in the twenty years since NAFTA was put in place.


NAFTA light is the moniker mostly assigned.
Some in Canada have nicknamed it NAFTWO
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