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Yes to all of the above. Hunter Biden stands out however because his gig involved billions of dollars flowing to corrupt Ukranians.
If we could somehow get a full disclosure on how exactly most of the people in the House and in the Senate became as wealthy as they are, my guess is the public would be mighty unhappy with both parties. The same goes with if we could see what their spouses, kids, and siblings do for a living and how they came to get those jobs. Pay to play across the board.
^^^ is 100% accurate, but very few want to fight it. They feel helpless, & it's so much more fun bickering about whether your guys are worse than mine. Or, "they all do it" which makes it okay.
Until more of these politicians, big biz, top1%, and their friends & relatives, go to prison, its business as usual. The politicians sacrifice a random stooge (Blagoyovich, Manafort) occasionally to pacify us, but those represent <.01% of the thievery.
They've gotten so good at stealing w/o getting caught, it's grown to epoch proportions...by both sides.
Its our politicians + Fortune 500 + top 1% + foreign actors (to launder $'s) versus the rest of us, and we are ALL getting destroyed! This is why the distribution of wealth is so lopsided. As Bernie says "it's all rigged".
I love Bernie's assessment, but not his solutions. There's a better way.
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Yep. And when you take that power and use it for personal gain, and against America's best interest... *Ding ding ding* Abuse of power! Give that POTUS his prize!
This is what I don't get. Why is it wrong to investigate the Bidens? The Democratic argument is that an investigation is used for personal gain (that is a stretch) -- but on the flip side - there has been nearly 3 full years of investigations into Trump which could also be considered personal gain for any democrat facing Trump. And now we know it was all fake and made up and sponsored by the DNC. Then there is the part about it being "against America's best interest" (another leap). So what is it that makes the Biden's untouchable or off limits? It's almost as if Democrats choose to look the other way.
I just gave you a bunch of former politicians who served on boards that they have no business being on. At no point had anyone ever suggested they should be investigated for corruption. There has never been a standard to qualify for serving on a board. So that's the "rule."
Now you want to make serving on a board you're unqualified for a standard for investigation into corruption, something no one has advocated for, until you could use the Bidens as the first target. So that's changing the "rules."
Comprende?
Yes, I understand that you have a fervent imagination. The part in bold is a hallucination.
I've always been opposed to all efforts to buy/sell influence, as have just about all Americans, even the crazy ones on your side. The problem is that the people in charge of stopping corruption are corrupt themselves, and when someone (like Trump) steps in and rocks the boat, they conspire to get rid of him. And they can count on people like you to support their corruption.
Here's the obstacle stopping us from nailing the Biden's, or anyone else involved with Ukranian-related wrongdoing. There are NO credible sources in the Ukraine that would stand up in our courts. The corruption there is systemic. They're ALL dirty.
So, there's nobody that can provide evidence, or testimony that the other side cannot discredit.
I think this is why Rudy's findings are stuck in limbo. It comes down to the quality & reliability of his sources.
Here's the obstacle stopping us from nailing the Biden's, or anyone else involved with Ukranian-related wrongdoing. There are NO credible sources in the Ukraine that would stand up in our courts. The corruption there is systemic. They're ALL dirty.
So, there's nobody that can provide evidence, or testimony that the other side cannot discredit.
I think this is why Rudy's findings are stuck in limbo. It comes down to the quality & reliability of his sources.
This is true. Actually, I don't think most Americans understand just how corrupt third world countries are in general.
If you go down that hole, it will make you question your own humanity.
But the President isn;t alleged to have done anything for personal gain. He's alleged to have done something for "team" gain -- which is of course FAR WORSE, but you people are so deranged you can't fit it within your narrative.
And the President isn't alleged to have done anything against America's best interest. Arming Ukraine is so clearly in America's best interest that the Obama administration never did it.
It's been alleged he's done it for personal gain from they very beginning.
Ukraine is an ally. Denying an ally support that you've pledged for a personal vendetta is comprising America's dependability to our allies. That is not in America's best interest and actively goes against what we alliances are meant to establish.
The only reason he released the funds to Ukraine was bc he caught wind of the whistleblower complaint. And even after that, he still failed to deliver $35M that was due to Ukraine.
What is wrong with asking the Ukrainians to investigate the Bidens? There is more than enough evidence and questionable actions on their part to suggest illegal activity of some sort. Any rational thinking individual can see that. An investigation would either clear them, or convict them. Concerns have been raised for years. And how does wanting to find out the truth morph into "interference by a foreign power in our elections"?
The Bidens are U.S. citizens. If there is a problem of if their actions warrant an investigation, our DOJ should be investigating them, not a foreign power.
Because there is really no evidence to this point to suggest there is any corruption by the Bidens. This makes politics the only reason asking for Ukraine to investigate them. Any investigation is just a rewarding of the corrupt wishes of Donald Trump and his immoral supporters.
The hypocrisy is ****ing breathtaking!
There was a reason to investigate the Bidens when Hunter took a job at Burisma.
There was even more reason to investigate the Bidens when Burisma became the subject of a Ukrainian investigation.
There was even more reason than that when the home of Mykola Zlochevsky was raided by Ukrainian officials, to include soon to be fired prosecutor Viktor Shokin.
There was way more reason than even that when well-connected US citizens involved with this company reached out to the US state department to solicit support from the United States government for prematurely ending the Ukrainian Burisma investigation.
Now, after Joe Biden was stupid enough to publicly confess to using his office to protect his son and his family's corrupt dealings in one of the most corrupt nations on Earth, you claim there is no evidence of corruption on the part of the Bidens.
Well, in that case you have made clear the need for an official US investigation of the Biden affair, because if people like you really exist in the real world, individuals so driven by blind partisanship or fundamental ignorance that they need things proven to them point by point, then we ought to spare no resource to accomplish this.
What is wrong with asking the Ukrainians to investigate the Bidens? There is more than enough evidence and questionable actions on their part to suggest illegal activity of some sort. Any rational thinking individual can see that. An investigation would either clear them, or convict them. Concerns have been raised for years. And how does wanting to find out the truth morph into "interference by a foreign power in our elections"?
They sure didn't have a problem running a fake investigation on Hillary or Trump, during 2016.
What changed?
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