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View Poll Results: Democrats: Is it worth losing hundreds of thousands of good paying jobs to satisfy climate change 0-
Yes 11 52.38%
No 2 9.52%
I'm a Republican 8 38.10%
Voters: 21. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-21-2019, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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How many coal jobs did trump bring back?
Coal Comeback? Coal At New Low After Two Years Under Trump

Do you guys want to keep on manufacturing typewriters because you don't realize computers have arrived?

Time for the old white Republicans to embrace progress and the future. That is where the jobs will be.
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Progress means change to the future and new jobs. We will not be competitive on a global scale if we continue to live in the stone ages.

Who knew that computer science and associated technology jobs would be a career back in the day before computers? Quit latching on to the past, that is for museums.

Jobs? Lets see about that...solar panels are mostly made in China...no jobs there. Wind turbines parts come from a lot of foreign companies some in China. Not many American jobs there.


Fact: 67% of power in the US comes from fossil fuels, 20% from nuclear, 6.5% from wind and 1.5% from solar.
There no way that wind and solar can replace at those rates of power output.

Eliminating millions of American jobs is not in the best interest of the American people.
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Old 12-21-2019, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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You don't seem to realize coal is a tiny part of the oil/energy industry.

27.5% of US energy production is from coal. Hardly a tiny part.


https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
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Old 12-21-2019, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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How many coal jobs did trump bring back?
Coal Comeback? Coal At New Low After Two Years Under Trump

Do you guys want to keep on manufacturing typewriters because you don't realize computers have arrived?

Time for the old white Republicans to embrace progress and the future. That is where the jobs will be.

Okay, I'm game!


What are these new jobs that you speak of?
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Old 12-21-2019, 11:05 AM
 
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Last year, Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, and South Dakota generated over 30 percent of their electricity from wind energy.

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source?

Renewables account for over 16% nationwide.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
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Old 12-21-2019, 11:05 AM
 
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I’m not against green energy, I support it, but we shouldn’t stop our energy independence boom. You can create tax incentives for people and businesses to choose green energy. That’s how it should be... not big government saying sorry guys, the AOC gang want you out of business NOW! The realility is the same people working in the slopes, on oil rigs, etc are not going to be the ones working in solar etc.
One way to do it is to levy a carbon tax that collects enough money to pay for all the damage that climate change is doing to the country now. These massive weather disasters, made worse by climate change, through violent hurricanes, midwest flooding, exploding wildfires, etc. have cost us billions. Fossil fuels should help pay for the mess they are making.

Once the cost of climate change is added to the base price of fossil fuel, then the market can choose to go green at its own pace. Let's say a fair carbon tax puts gasoline at $5 or $6 per gallon. For many commuters, at that point an electric vehicle starts to be irresistible.
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Old 12-21-2019, 11:08 AM
 
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And the crowd cheered when he said it too!


"Are you willing to stop the energy boom we've seen during Obama and Trump and potentially losing hundreds of thousands of jobs?"


-YES (the crowd goes wild with cheers!!!)
Crazy job killing Joe is the way they want to roll !!!
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Old 12-21-2019, 11:10 AM
 
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Biden ain't too quick on his feet. When he was asked that question, he should have talked about his early life experiences in Scranton.


After WW2, the anthracite coal industry experienced a huge decline as fuel oil and later natural gas displaced people's, businesses', schools' and industries' coal furnaces. There was a giant exodus out of the area and among those forced to move was Joe Biden's family.


It took decades to recover from that debacle. What emerged was the "Scranton Plan," which succeeded in attracting new businesses and industries to the area. The Scranton Plan has been used as a model of what to do when your area is hit by economic hardship.


Are you reading this, Joe?
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Old 12-21-2019, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Democrats don't care about jobs.. they want to live off other peoples hard earned money.
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Old 12-21-2019, 11:38 AM
 
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One way to do it is to levy a carbon tax that collects enough money to pay for all the damage that climate change is doing to the country now. These massive weather disasters, made worse by climate change, through violent hurricanes, midwest flooding, exploding wildfires, etc. have cost us billions. Fossil fuels should help pay for the mess they are making.

Once the cost of climate change is added to the base price of fossil fuel, then the market can choose to go green at its own pace. Let's say a fair carbon tax puts gasoline at $5 or $6 per gallon. For many commuters, at that point an electric vehicle starts to be irresistible.

I don't agree. The reality is most people cannot afford an electric car. Intentionally making gas $5-6 is a massive tax on the low and middle class American. Democrats need to be completely honest about this if they support it.



I'd rather see tax incentives for people to go green, not to make the average poor and middle class have tougher lives. This is where elitism comes into play. There is a huge chunk of the country that wouldn't be able to use an electric car as their primary because of a lack of charging infrastructure.



We are already getting there now without gouging low income and middle income Americans. Tesla is making all other automakers step up their game when it comes to electric cars... let the free market continue this evolution without destroying the economy or making lives of millions harder.



I still remember going through back to back to back to back hurricanes in 2004. We have had much worse natural disasters in the past. It's sort of like murders or tragedies of war. War was much brutal before without a lot more lives lost. The difference now is everything is televised and on the internet. So it seems like it happens a lot more now than ever before.
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Old 12-21-2019, 12:01 PM
 
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When California went all in on green energy, there were more solar and wind jobs created than oil jobs lost.
Switching to green energy stimulates the economy. That's been proven.
There were more jobs created than lost, means green energy production is less efficient.
Less efficient energy production means the same energy (KWH, BTU) will be made more expensive.
More expensive energy means households will on the net be poorer and thus have less dollars to spend on food, clothing, health (i.e. lower standard of living)

However crony energy providers will be richer as a result of the stimuli

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