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Old 12-21-2019, 12:25 PM
 
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The “evidence” was double and triple hearsay. Would you be ok if someone told someone who told someone else who told the police that you committed a crime and they arrested you on that basis???

3 or 4 of the witnesses testified under oath that they where listening in on the telephone call between Trump and Zelnskiy...

And they confirmed they heard the same thing that is on the transcript, which also Trump confirmed.


So, that is not good enough?
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Old 12-21-2019, 12:32 PM
 
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The supposed victim even said Trump didnt do anything wrong. That’s like a person being on trial for rape and the victim says that man didn’t rape me.
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Old 12-21-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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The supposed victim even said Trump didnt do anything wrong. That’s like a person being on trial for rape and the victim says that man didn’t rape me.
Yeah.. that "Victim" is not under no pressure at all right?

Wanna go against the worlds most powerful person? When you depend on his goodwill for your National Defense against Russia?


Of course you strenuously admit nothing happened... that way Ukraine can keep getting Military Aid.

If he says Yes: Republicans might "punish" Ukraine later..
If he says No: Democrats might "punish" Ukraine later..


He HAS to be as neutral as possible to get BI-partisan approval for Aid.. That is why Rudy and Sondland had to spend WEEKS pressuring him into holding a interview where he "might risk" angering the Democratic Party... essentially risking future Military Aid!!!

He was so desperate in the end, he finally agreed to announce a investigation into Biden on CNN.. But pulled out of it when Trumps scheme where found out by the whistleblower and the aid got released before he could hold his interview.



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Old 12-21-2019, 12:41 PM
 
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3 or 4 of the witnesses testified under oath that they where listening in on the telephone call between Trump and Zelnskiy...

And they confirmed they heard the same thing that is on the transcript, which also Trump confirmed.


So, that is not good enough?
The White House offered no defense. Their only legal argument seemed to be that impeachment is subject to presidential consent. Ridiculous.
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Old 12-21-2019, 12:42 PM
 
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3 or 4 of the witnesses testified under oath that they where listening in on the telephone call between Trump and Zelnskiy...

And they confirmed they heard the same thing that is on the transcript, which also Trump confirmed.


So, that is not good enough?
Nope. They haven't been cross examined AND Pelosi is now too scared to let that happen.
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Old 12-21-2019, 12:43 PM
 
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Yeah.. that "Victim" is not under no pressure at all right?

Wanna go against the worlds most powerful person? When you depend on his goodwill for your National Defense against Russia?


Of course you strenuously admit nothing happened... that way Ukraine can keep getting Military Aid.

If he says Yes: Republicans might "punish" Ukraine later..
If he says No: Democrats might "punish" Ukraine later..


He HAS to be as neutral as possible to get BI-partisan approval for Aid.. That is why Rudy and Sondland had to spend WEEKS pressuring him into holding a interview where he "might risk" angering the Democratic Party... essentially risking future Military Aid!!!

He was so desperate in the end, he finally agreed to announce a investigation into Biden on CNN.. But pulled out of it when Trumps scheme where found out by the whistleblower and the aid got released before he could hold his interview.



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You said CNN.
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Old 12-21-2019, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The democrats and MSM think they can together destroy Trump by impeaching him .. More people are supporting Trump because of their failed experiment.. they really think they can brainwash the masses and they have tried for three years with HATETRUMP TV..and the democrats, the FBI all have worked together along with the Communists and globalists to destroy Trump.



WE THE PEOPLE , the smart ones support Trump because it is in their own best interest as Trump works for all Americans . We put Trump in the White House and we will vote to keep him in the White House. Many democrats recognize this and will vote for Trump .
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Old 12-21-2019, 12:51 PM
 
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Nope. They haven't been cross examined AND Pelosi is now too scared to let that happen.

So... you did not see any testimony on a multitude of TV channels of the 14-17 witnesses in the case?

Since this is a POLTICAL, NOT CRIMMINAL case, the Republicans asked them questions under OATH. That might not legally be "cross examination"... but they could ask whatever they wanted... and the witnesses where under oath.


They said under oath, they where listening in on the call, since it was THEIR JOB.... they heard Trumps own voice and words... and said he said nearly exactly what was in the transcript, that Trump later released.


So where is the problem here??




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Old 12-21-2019, 12:53 PM
 
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You said CNN.

Zelensky had scheduled a interview with CNN to open up the investigation... and canceled it right after the aid was released.
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Old 12-21-2019, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Trump has been telling us every single day who he is. His own party won't call him out when he is wrong because none of them have the stomach for the namecalling and neverending retaliation battle that would ensue.

Does anyone with a BRAIN actually believe Zelensky - whose country's life depends on our help - would do anything to antagonize Trump?

I'm incredulous that otherwise really smart people insist on feigning naivete - all in the name of defending this appalling excuse of a human being.
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