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Old 12-23-2019, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Maybe it's your mind that needs changed? Which obviously is set in stone but facts are not subject to opinion and the facts show that pit bulls are dramatically disproportionately responsible for fatal maulings. Irresponsible owners are behind many of the attacks but there are also countless stories where the owners are saying "we don't understand how this happened, this isn't like him, he's always been so loving with kids, we've never seen any aggression at all, he's never chewed the arms off of even a doll".
Again, because those people are STUPID! How many fricken times have you heard, "It's okay, my dog won't bite." Does that dog have teeth? Then yes, the dog can bite. Just because it never has before doesn't mean it won't. Again, most dogs are owned by stupid people who know nothing about dogs. They think of their dogs in human ways, not in dog ways.

Would you like a good example? MY dog. My dog lived around cats since he was 3 months old. NEVER had a problem with them. Not once.

In September, 9 years of age, 9 years of being around cats, he killed one of my cats.

Is it because my dog is a terrible, out of control lunatic? Should we ban the breeds my dog is?

Or is it because I could not get him enough exercise because every damn time we went out where I used to live, he was attacked by an off leash dog - either with the owner (who was walking them off leash but had NO recall or control over their dog whatsoever but thought it was fine to walk their dog(s) off leash because their dogs are "friendly"), or those who got out of the yard, or strays.

I have a thread on it in the pets forum.

It doesn't matter if "this has never happened before" because it can happen if something that the dog needs is not being met. In my case, I had to sacrifice my dogs NEEDED long bouts of exercise because his safety was in jeopardy all the time due to? Stupid humans.

And let's talk about those statistics:

The biggest problem with the "statistics" is that most people, including police, those who work in shelters, etc, don't even know wth a pit bull is. There are a lot of mixed breeds out there being called "pit bull". There are a lot of dogs that have no pit bull in them being labeled "pit bull". I'm not saying that pit bulls do not attack, nor am I saying that most dog bites don't come from them, what I'm saying is that the statistics are not accurate due to the simple fact that so many people don't even know what a fricken pit bull is. Everyone thinks they know, and many of them are dead wrong.

https://www.hillspet.com/dog-care/do...t-bull-terrier

That photo is a pit bull.

Also note:

"Social/Attention Needs: High"

What happens when you don't pay attention to your dog?
What happens when you don't play with your dog?
What happens when you leave your dog chained up in the backyard all day long?
What happens when you make your dogs live outside and not inside with its pack/family?

As I said, I'm all for making people go to training and pass a course to illustrate that they understand dogs, dog behavior, dog body language, dog needs, etc before they are ever allowed to own a medium to larger dog.

When you mistreat your dog, (and the above are mistreatments), you're going to have a dog that will go stir crazy. And if that dog gets out....regardless of the breed...bad things can happen.

Also, one thing I noticed about the story from the OP, not once did they state what happened before the attack.
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Old 12-23-2019, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I've seen this happen too many times. That breed should be banned and extinguished. They're a menace to society.
Agreed, there is not a dog breed on earth worth one single human life.
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Old 12-23-2019, 08:50 AM
 
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I have owned pit bulls for 25 years. You will never change my mind. To each their own.

I don't need to change your mind, just the minds of those who pass the laws.
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Old 12-23-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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Again, because those people are STUPID! How many fricken times have you heard, "It's okay, my dog won't bite." Does that dog have teeth? Then yes, the dog can bite. Just because it never has before doesn't mean it won't. Again, most dogs are owned by stupid people who know nothing about dogs. They think of their dogs in human ways, not in dog ways.

And let's talk about those statistics:

The biggest problem with the "statistics" is that most people, including police, those who work in shelters, etc, don't even know wth a pit bull is. There are a lot of mixed breeds out there being called "pit bull". There are a lot of dogs that have no pit bull in them being labeled "pit bull". I'm not saying that pit bulls do not attack, nor am I saying that most dog bites don't come from them, what I'm saying is that the statistics are not accurate due to the simple fact that so many people don't even know what a fricken pit bull is. Everyone thinks they know, and many of them are dead wrong.

Stupid owners... own all breeds of dogs. Most own Labs but you don't have the frequency and type of maulings as with a pit bull. You're never going to "fix" the problem of ignorant or poor ownership. All you can do is limit the damage. It's why most places don't allow one to own a pet tiger.



As for stats, that's undoubtedly true but whether pits make up 80% of the fatal maulings or just 50% doesn't change the point.
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Old 12-23-2019, 09:31 AM
 
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When we travel with the RV we bought specifically because we had 4 dogs at the time with one being a husky/ shepherd mix. We started to see signs at the RV parks that you couldn’t have a Pitbull because of their insurance requirements. As time went by more breeds were added to the list such as shepherds. He looked like a malamute so we said he was. That’s what happens when there gets to be hate for certain breeds. Locally experienced dog trainers are taking Pitbull mixes out of the shelter and training them to be service dogs for veterans. Some police departments are using them also. I really hate how ignorant people can be.
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Old 12-23-2019, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I don't need to change your mind, just the minds of those who pass the laws.
What laws do you see being passed, the owners are already responsible for their dogs and can be taken to court.
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Old 12-23-2019, 10:52 AM
 
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What laws do you see being passed, the owners are already responsible for their dogs and can be taken to court.

And school shooters can be arrested and taken to court as well so I guess we've done all that needs to be done?
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Old 12-23-2019, 11:08 AM
 
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We don’t need more laws discriminating against certain dog breeds. Ugh!
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Old 12-23-2019, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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And school shooters can be arrested and taken to court as well so I guess we've done all that needs to be done?
You never answered the question.
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Old 12-23-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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Pit Bull is an idiot detector for the owners. I see you walking a pit bull in my neighborhood, I now know where the idiots live.
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