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Who decides where the roads go? What happens when someone wishes to traverse said road that didn't build it? Are there going to be toll booths every quarter mile? And what about the farmer who owns 50 acres of land - can he afford a road long enough to allow him to effectively get his goods from his farm to the market? What if one of the people who voluntarily traded to have the road built doesn't wish to pay to maintain it - are the other volunteers going to pick up his slack? I can think of dozens of more issues just off of the top of my head. Your "solution" creates more questions than it supplies solutions.
Like I said, completely ignorant of history, economics and engineering.
A. Who decides where the roads go?
The market does just like how we decide where to build the vast majority of roads today - they all centered around where people choose to live. Nobody is building networks of roads in the desert where nobody lives. If someone wants to build a road there, that's his money and his loss.
B. What happens when someone wishes to traverse said road that didn't build it? Are there going to be toll booths every quarter mile?
Another ridiculous question. People can either pay as they go or pay fixed monthly fee just like how they pay for subway service, cell phone service or the Internet. How does subway service catches and punishes violators?
And what about the farmer who owns 50 acres of land - can he afford a road long enough to allow him to effectively get his goods from his farm to the market?
Of course.
This is nothing new. Either the farmer pays for it himself or the wholesale company can pay for it. For example, in the oil & gas business, many companies must build roads for the land owners so that they can ship oil across some very remote areas where no sane government would build anything and they split the profit.
What if one of the people who voluntarily traded to have the road built doesn't wish to pay to maintain it - are the other volunteers going to pick up his slack?
Same way as some company refuses to maintain a building, and another company or individual takes over. Again, this is nothing new. In the real world, the builder is rarely the owner and the maintainer. We typically have owners to finance the road, builders to build the road, and a management company to collect fees and maintain the road.
Last edited by lifeexplorer; 12-30-2019 at 11:12 AM..
I'm sure my check already shows far more paid in taxes than yours. I just don't whine about it like an indignant 3 year old. There has to be something better to do with your time.
You should pay more since you believe paying more. Put your money where your mouth is.
Seriously, how could you live with yourself without being true to yourself?
Like I said, completely ignorant of history, economics and engineering.
A. Who decides where the roads go?
The market does just like how we decide where to build the vast majority of roads today - they all centered around where people choose to live. Nobody is building networks of roads in the desert where nobody lives. If someone wants to build a road there, that's his money and his loss.
B. What happens when someone wishes to traverse said road that didn't build it? Are there going to be toll booths every quarter mile?
Another ridiculous question. People can either pay as they go or pay fixed monthly fee just like how they pay for subway service, cell phone service or the Internet. How does subway service catches and punishes violators?
And what about the farmer who owns 50 acres of land - can he afford a road long enough to allow him to effectively get his goods from his farm to the market?
Of course.
This is nothing new. Either the farmer pays for it himself or the wholesale company can pay for it. For example, in the oil & gas business, many companies must build roads for the land owners so that they can ship oil across some very remote areas where no sane government would build anything and they split the profit.
What if one of the people who voluntarily traded to have the road built doesn't wish to pay to maintain it - are the other volunteers going to pick up his slack?
Same way as some company refuses to maintain a building, and another company or individual takes over. Again, this is nothing new. In the real world, the builder is rarely the owner and the maintainer. We typically have owners to finance the road, builders to build the road, and a management company to collect fees and maintain the road.
What you've described has all of the hallmarks of a highly inefficient and unpredictable way to construct and maintain a system of roads.
Indeed, under your system, what is to stop a road-owner from charging an exorbitant fee for his neighbor to traverse his road once the neighbor's road is built to connect to his road, knowing full well that the neighbor is his economic captive? Or what if a land-owner is surrounded by neighbors who do not wish to let him traverse their lands at all - is he forever marooned on his patch of land?
Should you be forced to pay for the military? How about education? How about public libraries or firefighting services. Local, state or federal police/enforcement services? Some people who feel they can arm, organize through volunteers and and support themselves feel there's been a huge intrusion of socialized enforcement by the government. And are then forced to pay for others such as you OP.
Even the Federal Tax. That was supposed to be temporary.
So you see, the US is full of hypocrites who applies different standards to the socialism they deem justified and others that they don't (such as healthcare).
What you've described has all of the hallmarks of a highly inefficient and unpredictable way to construct and maintain a system of roads.
Indeed, under your system, what is to stop a road-owner from charging an exorbitant fee for his neighbor to traverse his road once the neighbor's road is built to connect to his road, knowing full well that the neighbor is his economic captive? Or what if a land-owner is surrounded by neighbors who do not wish to let him traverse their lands at all - is he forever marooned on his patch of land?
So, you’d like to maintain slavery to have efficiency?
I am not convinced that a government, which could never produce something like the iPhone, is more efficient. Nothing the government does better than the private sector. You only need to name one to convince me but you can't.
Do you know why slavery ended? It’s not because people suddenly gained any conscience or morality. It was that the economy developed to a point that forced labor was no longer efficient. What do you know? Slaves are terrible at producing - they have zero incentive to be more efficient.
As for your central planning, it has been tried by so many different countries across different cultures. You can ask them about their efficiency and they will have 100 million corpses to show how efficient they were - only efficient at slaughtering people who dared to disagree with their planning.
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Should you be forced to pay for the military? How about education? How about public libraries or firefighting services. Local, state or federal police/enforcement services? Some people who feel they can arm, organize through volunteers and and support themselves feel there's been a huge intrusion of socialized enforcement by the government. And are then forced to pay for others such as you OP.
Even the Federal Tax. That was supposed to be temporary.
So you see, the US is full of hypocrites who applies different standards to the socialism they deem justified and others that they don't (such as healthcare).
Like I said, nobody should be forced to pay for anything. Abolish all taxes and implement a single consumption based tax such as Fair Tax.
Do you know why slavery ended? It’s not because people suddenly gained any conscience or morality. It was that the economy developed to a point that forced labor was no longer efficient. What do you know? Slaves are terrible at producing - they have zero incentive to be more efficient.
Slavery ended because the Confederacy lost Civil War.
The South would have been very happy to continue the practice. In face, they even tried to leave the Union in order to maintain the status quo.
Your alternate reality is not reality, it is fiction
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