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I never felt that after a presidential election before, so why this time? The difference was her “basket of deplorables” comments. What kind of dumb political strategy was it to attack the supporters of her opponent? She deserved every bit of pain that the loss caused her. I felt a huge sense that justice had been served. What feels better than justice?
It seems like the left still hasn’t learned from their mistakes. You don’t win votes by attacking voters. You get them emotionally invested in the opponent.
This ^^^
1,000% this. This happens all over. Labour in Britian just got walloped in their elections after Corbyn and his followers went into overdrive calling anybody that didnt rally for Corbyn all the usual "racist! misogynist! xenophobic!, etc...." and they are still scratching their heads going "What Happened?" (<maybe corbyn could write a book with that title, hmmmm).
But the same happens here, like on an autoloop recording.
"Vote for me you white, racist, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic pigs!"
I don't expect they will ever vote Democratic. Thankfully they are mostly old, just like Trump. They are not good people. They are people that think the country should be mostly white, Europeans that are somehow superior in their eyes. They think that not only is it fine that no woman has ever been president or even vice president, but that men are somehow persecuted and the most vulnerable demographic is the defenseless white male. They wouldn't even let a single woman on the GOP health care committee. It was all men, no women.
They think abortion should be against the law and so should gay marriage. They think discrimination of gays is a First Amendment right and Trump has appointed judges that have said exactly that. There has never been an environmental protection law they didn't oppose. It's all pollution all the time, and that's fine IMO as long as the pollution stays in Trump country. They love their guns and that's fine as long as the ones running around armed stay in places like Texas where shootings happen practically every day. They think urban tax money should be directed to rural areas because that's "owning the libs" literally. Giving billions to farmers and coal miners using tax money that comes from mostly urban areas - who's the real socialist? These are their priorities. They are terrible people and the judges Trump is putting on the bench are terrible people and even the American Bar Association has called several of them unqualified.
I've read all of the posts between you and anthesia and you clearly aren't interested in honest open objective and fair minded discussion. Trump supporters are bad no matter. What a simple small minded as hell stance to take. It's why Trump won in 2016 and its why he'll win in 2020.
I don't even like Trump, I think he's a pig.
I hope he wins, just to give the dems a huge throbbing FU middle finger
Please, with all due respect, you have called Trump supporters bad people at least five times in this thread.
“good” and “bad” people exist in roughly the same proportion across the political spectrum. The tendency to see political issues differently (which may even have a genetic component, according to recent studies) has nothing to do with abstract goodness or badness other than in the eye of the beholder, and that eye may be very biased and set to never see anything good in a political opponent.
I will just say something a little bit harsh, and I normally don't like to "attack" somebody in a forum like this because I don't know them personally in their private life. People disagree with each other all the time, who am I to judge their belief system?
However, If anybody just made a general statement like "Trump supporters are bad people", then it is pretty safe for me to assume that the people putting contingencies on others, are outing themselves as being grandiose at the very least and narcissistic at the most. People are just people. Bottom line. Everybody took a risk on election day, this time, they might disagree with you, next time, who knows? Why bother calling somebody bad people simply because they voted somebody you cannot stand?
Moore is right? He should have learned attacking somebody's character is not a winning debate strategy. After all, this is a person who has called snipers cowards.
calling anyone a coward is disrespectful and there's no way he didn't intend that when he said it. What his argument seems to be is that 'cowardice' stems from snipers having what he would say is an 'unfair' advantage because of how they fight. It's a childish view of warfare to assume that it's inherently fair.
After he has used cowards to describe snipers, I think it is safe to put him in the "troll" category.
Personally, though, I think Michael Moore was just trying to anger people and should just be ignored. He's never been in combat and any feelings he has on the matter are probably manufactured. Don't feed trolls. But in the discussion of 'fairness' and 'cowardice' in war it is important to point out that war is inherently unfair and when it comes to bravery/cowardice there is no objective truth.
Just like now, he is saying Trump supporters are not good people, although I think people should still follow the general rule of "don't feed trolls", it is safe to point out that he is nothing but a low life who is trying to divide the nation. He, once again, was just trying to anger people. Why would anybody listen to him is beyond my comprehension.
I find it amusing that Moore would be targeted when the same accusations in this post would apply to Trump on a much much much larger scale. Yet Trump supporters worship the man regardless of what he does. And the things he does are not good. So I equate people who worship a person who does bad things as being bad themselves. Perhaps Moore does as well.
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I've read all of the posts between you and anthesia and you clearly aren't interested in honest open objective and fair minded discussion. Trump supporters are bad no matter. What a simple small minded as hell stance to take. It's why Trump won in 2016 and its why he'll win in 2020.
I don't even like Trump, I think he's a pig.
I hope he wins, just to give the dems a huge throbbing FU middle finger
Am I supposed to be surprised by that? Really? I listed very specific things as to why I think Trump supporters are bad. When a person denies very obvious truths, saying things like they support the right to choose, they support gays, they don't hate women, yet they vote for someone who does harm to all of them, even supporting a party that will nominate judges that will do permanent harm to them, it is blatantly dishonest. That is open, honest and fair minded.
That Trump supporters take such glee in the harm caused to those people and on top of it, look forward to continued harm to them, why would anyone think they are good people? So if Trump get re-elected, don't expect those people to like Trump supporters more. They will hate them all the more. Trump supporters don't care, in fact, their derive incredible pleasure from the hate they generate. Which again, makes them bad people. Everyone knows who the Trump supporters are. They aren't going to forget, ever. The only positive is they are mostly old, as is Trump.
They will still claim to oppose "socialists" while slurping up as much tax money for themselves as they can. It's why billions go to farmers, billions to coal miners because their private pensions are underfunded, it's why McConnell scrapes up a billion dollars for Kentucky. It's also why the top five states on Disability are in the South. The real socialists/welfare queens are Trump supporters.
I find it amusing that Moore would be targeted when the same accusations in this post would apply to Trump on a much much much larger scale. Yet Trump supporters worship the man regardless of what he does. And the things he does are not good. So I equate people who worship a person who does bad things as being bad themselves. Perhaps Moore does as well.
Am I supposed to be surprised by that? Really? I listed very specific things as to why I think Trump supporters are bad. When a person denies very obvious truths, saying things like they support the right to choose, they support gays, they don't hate women, yet they vote for someone who does harm to all of them, even supporting a party that will nominate judges that will do permanent harm to them, it is blatantly dishonest. That is open, honest and fair minded.
That Trump supporters take such glee in the harm caused to those people and on top of it, look forward to continued harm to them, why would anyone think they are good people? So if Trump get re-elected, don't expect those people to like Trump supporters more. They will hate them all the more. Trump supporters don't care, in fact, their derive incredible pleasure from the hate they generate. Which again, makes them bad people. Everyone knows who the Trump supporters are. They aren't going to forget, ever. The only positive is they are mostly old, as is Trump.
You are not a fair minded rational actor here. It's obvious, take pleasure in knowing that reasonable people see through your rhetoric for what it it is.
Trust me on this. I'm not a crazy right winger, I'm an average Joe. Extreme views on any side rarely take long lasting hold.
I voted for Trump mainly because I liked his stances on issues and I didn’t like Hillary’s, but I would be lying if I said I didn’t get a lot of satisfaction when Trump won, because I knew how distraught Hillary was over losing.
Again, that was not the main reason I voted for Trump, but it was definitely a bonus.
I never felt that after a presidential election before, so why this time? The difference was her “basket of deplorables” comments. What kind of dumb political strategy was it to attack the supporters of her opponent? She deserved every bit of pain that the loss caused her. I felt a huge sense that justice had been served. What feels better than justice?
As a Trump lover, surely you don't mind Trump calling some members of his own party "human scum". And don't worry much if doing that is a wise political strategy. But I would think better political strategy for Trump is to call Democrats "human scum". Surely, the bad Trump lovers would love that even more.
You are not a fair minded rational actor here. It's obvious, take pleasure in knowing that reasonable people see through your rhetoric for what it it is.
Trust me on this. I'm not a crazy right winger, I'm an average Joe. Extreme views on any side rarely take long lasting hold.
I've read the posts and they read very much like a right winger. Calling Democrats givers of "free stuff" while ignoring all the billions Trump gives farmers in hush money and subsidies. We are going to pay for coal miners private pensions and health care? No money for health care? Let's have a Space Force! Not to mention all the millions Trump has spent on golfing which dwarfs any trip Obama ever took to Hawaii. Oh, and Democrats "had it in" for Trump but no mention of Trump's birtherism for eight years? Enjoy the Trump worship and feel free to tell people how much the vote will be a middle finger to Democrats again, that seems to be a favorite. One of many reasons why Moore says Trump supporters "are not good people".
Trump didn't change the Republican party, he revealed the Republican party. He and they have a symbiotic relationship where he plays to their worst impulses and they feed his ego.
Your right. But they won’t reflect. That will never happen. Save for a few.
Same here. I live in one of the reddest states in the country and I don't know anyone who hates gays or women. Not one. I'm sure there are some out there, just as anywhere else, but they're certainly not as prevalent as some on here must think. That's not to say they are pro gay marriage or pro abortion, but rather live and let live without the endorsements. I wouldn't want abortion abolished, but would rather not see it used as just another form of birth control. I don't believe you'd see any of the states that have passed laws to challenge Roe vs Wade would ever ban it outright. They want tighter controls. People become desensitized after hearing something over and over again, but abortion is more than just a word.
OK. I see this is useless, so you are right. There are not 300 million people with 300 million different philosophies. There are 300 million people that fit 1 out of 2 distinct philosophies. It is a binary, black and white world. That makes it easy to know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are, so you know which half of the country to hate.
whether they realize it or not, progressives are bringing americans together. 3 years of foot stomping, spittle flying tantrums by the illiberal left have galvanized people, particularly republicans, in a way nothing else could.
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