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I agree. Trump appears to be someone who is very easy to play.
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Originally Posted by FatBob96
This is exactly what the topic of this thread was supposed to be about.
Democrats could have caught more flies with honey than vinegar......on any number of issues.
In general, I agree.
Throughout his career, Trump has openly played both sides of the street. How could it be otherwise in commercial real estate development in New York City or anywhere else? There is no secret about that, it is probably his best asset: play opportunities as they arise, without letting some stupid ideology get in the way.
However, it seems the healthcare financing issue in particular is much bigger than so-called parties whose function is limited anyway.
As mentioned, recently there have been "bipartisan" efforts to introduce some very modest price transparency mechanisms into the system, and the special interests responded vehemently, including a lawsuit.
Any significant health care reform must come from sources other than partisan political theater because special interests play that game better than anybody.
My daughter had cancer when she was 14. It's a "pre-existing condition". In the old days, pre-ACA, it could keep her from getting insurance, forever. Luckily, she was on our family plan until 2009, then she had a group policy from work. But forget an individual policy.
Have you no sense of decency?
I'd love everyone to be covered..
For everything.
But that's not how our system works.
Obamacare tried to make our system do that and the results blew up everyone's costs for EVERYTHING healthcare related.
Our for profit healthcare and health insurance system is too engrained with lobbyist and palm greasing to allow the type of "decency" that you're accusing me of not having.
Instead of arguing about whose going to pay for our massively expensive care, why don't we spend more time on bringing down the costs?
The answer to that question should be obvious (i.e. no)
So, if I don't just accept my healthcare costs skyrocketing in order to cover everyone for any preexisting condition, I have no "decency"?
How about going to a doctor who makes $500k per year, in a big, shiny, billion dollar hospital and ask him to treat your preexisting condition for free?
When he says no, ask him about his decency.
How is raising my healthcare costs so high that I don't go to the doctor when I should because I can't afford the deductible "decent" ?
After the way the GOP treated Obama and eight years of Trump's birtherism? Sorry, it is not the Democrat's job to help Trump pass health care when Democrats took hundreds of Republican amendments and put it into theirs only to have the GOP vote against it anyway. Further, the GOP wouldn't even let a single woman on their health care committee when they were designing the GOP health care plan. Got that? All men, no women. That's the GOP way and I have no desire to help Republicans do that.
Comparing the Democrats reaction to Trump to the GOP's reaction to Obama is literally comparing a mountain to a mole hill.
Seriously, it's not even close enough to attempt the comparison with a straight face.
Could Republicans have delivered healthcare reform more quickly by working with Obama instead of throwing an 8-year tantrum?
If it were up to Obama personally, I'm sure we'd already be enjoying elementary benefits of universal healthcare. But, politically, Obama knew he couldn't do that. He'd be condemned as a "socialist" and a "communist" -- AND a "fascist" all at the same time -- so he did what he could do.
The GOP became the party of "No! Obstructing Obama every step of the way.
Your health care coverage is NOT in the Constitution. Sorry, provide your own.
Dems could have brought a compromise proposal to Trump just as easily as vise versa.
And Dems are the ones who actually want universal healthcare, so logically it would be on them to initiate any such arrangement.
"Dems could have brought a compromise proposal to Trump just as easily", they haven't finished reading ALL of it yet, to include ALL of the amendments so, they DON'T know what to change.
Our for profit healthcare and health insurance system is too ingrained with lobbyist and palm greasing to allow the type of "decency" that you're accusing me of not having.
Yes, that's what I have been saying as well. And there are perverse incentives in this system.
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Originally Posted by FatBob96
Instead of arguing about whose going to pay for our massively expensive care, why don't we spend more time on bringing down the costs?
I again agree, but any movement towards a solution will not come from so-called political parties.
It would be much more efficient if it starts with each individual and small social groups (e.g. families, school communities, coworkers), independently educating themselves and encouraging each other to make better choices in terms of diet and exercise.
It may seem a daunting challenge, and flies in the face of advertising and other mythology, but it really is less expensive, both short-term and long-term, to prepare wholesome food with own's own hands than to keep on buying processed crap and eating at crappy restaurants, and do more stretching, walking and other basic exercise on a daily basis. That would help bring down costs significantly.
That, instead of encouraging people to abuse themselves and then fight for access to a system that (mis)treats symptoms.
(With all due respect and compassion for people who suffer injury, genetic and other diseases out of their control despite their best efforts and for all those medical practitioners who do their best to help them.)
Price transparency would also help bring down costs, but that's another story.
But in both and in all cases, as mentioned, there are perverse incentives in the system, so it would take independent education, will power, and mutual encouragement at micro levels.
Throughout his career, Trump has openly played both sides of the street. How could it be otherwise in commercial real estate development in New York City or anywhere else? There is no secret about that, it is probably his best asset: play opportunities as they arise, without letting some stupid ideology get in the way.
However, it seems the healthcare financing issue in particular is much bigger than so-called parties whose function is limited anyway.
As mentioned, recently there have been "bipartisan" efforts to introduce some very modest price transparency mechanisms into the system, and the special interests responded vehemently, including a lawsuit.
Any significant health care reform must come from sources other than partisan political theater because special interests play that game better than anybody.
"How could it be otherwise in commercial real estate development in New York City or anywhere else?"
Of course those with TDS NEVER mention the Trump owned 16 golf courses in the United Statesand abroad.
Trump owned 16 golf courses in the United Statesand abroad.
Yes, that certainly is the main driver in any health care reform.
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