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Old 12-27-2019, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
Facts?


Right....................................... this is a partisan witch hunt that has nothing to do with facts or justice.


If dems were really concerned about the rule of law, they would demand that Biden and Obama be investigated. That is where the actual crime occurred. What the dems have done is essentially trying someone who reported a bank robbery, rather than focusing on the bank robbers.
Yes its always good to have some fact when you start a thread rather than just ranting.
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Old 12-27-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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Once again - the biased dems completely disregard and discount the facts and turn a blind eye to any wrong doing on their part. This is the true Democratic party showing itself.
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Old 12-27-2019, 07:52 AM
 
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Were concerns about hunter bidens employment by burisma valid or not?
First, the guy had a nice cushy job. That's it, a nice cushy job. He was laughing all the way to the bank.

That is not evidence of a crime, it does not even imply a crime.

Hunter Biden was never under investigation, there was no reason to make any attempt to protect him and there was no effort to protect him from anything. Those are the facts.

What you have are rumors, which in themselves are not justification for the US government to investigate Hunter Biden. There was nothing Biden was doing which warranted suspicion, and the rumors were planted.
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These concerns had been raised by others including leftist media, yet never investigated fully, thus making Trumps actions his duty.
Actually, these 'concerns' of yours were only circulating in the right wing media.

Solomon and Giuliani were planting stories to set up the fake narrtive. They really only managed to hoax some Trump supporters who are particularly vulnerable to these kinds of narratives, but that seems to have been the goal.

It is not the president's place to sic our law enforcement on what he thinks (via rumor) is some kind of crime. He knows this, and guess what? Our law enforcement didn't touch this, even though AG Barr was fully in the loop, why?

Because there is no basis for the investigation. AG Barr knew this, and he told Trump that.

If you are unaware let's make it perfectly clear: Trump is not concerned about Ukrainian corruption, he was never trying to clean it up, he wanted to take advantage of it.

For Trump, it was never a real goal to investigate the Biden's in Ukraine, it has been confirmed under sworn testimony that the actual goal was only to have a public announcement of an investigation. Under Ukrainian law there was no basis to launch an investigation and Trump knew that. There was no seeking justice in this. The real goal was to scandalize a political opponent, so that Trump could talk it up on the campaign trail. It didn't have to be a real scandal, just a plausible excuse for one.
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Old 12-27-2019, 07:54 AM
 
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The facts are these:
  • Congress learns about the aid to Ukraine being held up, begins investigations and asks questions
  • Separately, whistleblower makes a report, which is diverted to the white house held up for weeks illegally.
  • Separately, temporary Ambassador to Ukraine is directly questioning whether we are really holding up the aid to get the announcement of an investigation into a political rival of Trump's. (Sondland, a Trump megadonor, later publicly confirms this under oath, contrary to white house denials).
  • White house (Trump) realizes the gig is up, they've been outed, and releases the aid, backtracking to save their skins.
  • Trump foolishly releases a redacted memo of the phone call which confirms the information in the whistleblower account.
You can't pay someone to 'make up' a report that turns out to be true, the Truth of the crime is no less true regardless of how we discover it anyway.
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
Facts?


Right....................................... this is a partisan witch hunt that has nothing to do with facts or justice.


If dems were really concerned about the rule of law, they would demand that Biden and Obama be investigated. That is where the actual crime occurred. What the dems have done is essentially trying someone who reported a bank robbery, rather than focusing on the bank robbers.
Why don't you address the facts? Are you afraid of the Truth?
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Old 12-27-2019, 07:57 AM
 
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Hunter Biden was never under investigation, there was no reason to make any attempt to protect him and there was no effort to protect him from anything. Those are the facts.

The recent court filing debunks your theory.
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Old 12-27-2019, 08:01 AM
 
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Every single thing about the Left is fake. Everything.
What does the above campaign slogan you have posted have to do with the phony made up whistleblower propaganda being spewed by this thread?
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Old 12-27-2019, 08:05 AM
 
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The recent court filing debunks your theory.
Post a link, so we can read it.
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Old 12-27-2019, 08:06 AM
 
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Trump's "whistleblower"

To be exactly correct we would have to call the clown Adam Schiff's whistleblower !!! That's who put him up to it !!!
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Old 12-27-2019, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Well according to you, do you have a news source.


Besides, as it turns out the whistle blower was correct so what's the problem.
The only think that was correct, was the hearsay whistleblower's spelling of the name Trump.
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Old 12-27-2019, 08:12 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
First, the guy had a nice cushy job. That's it, a nice cushy job. He was laughing all the way to the bank.

That is not evidence of a crime, it does not even imply a crime.

Hunter Biden was never under investigation, there was no reason to make any attempt to protect him and there was no effort to protect him from anything. Those are the facts.

What you have are rumors, which in themselves are not justification for the US government to investigate Hunter Biden. There was nothing Biden was doing which warranted suspicion, and the rumors were planted.
Actually, these 'concerns' of yours were only circulating in the right wing media.

Solomon and Giuliani were planting stories to set up the fake narrtive. They really only managed to hoax some Trump supporters who are particularly vulnerable to these kinds of narratives, but that seems to have been the goal.

It is not the president's place to sic our law enforcement on what he thinks (via rumor) is some kind of crime. He knows this, and guess what? Our law enforcement didn't touch this, even though AG Barr was fully in the loop, why?

Because there is no basis for the investigation. AG Barr knew this, and he told Trump that.

If you are unaware let's make it perfectly clear: Trump is not concerned about Ukrainian corruption, he was never trying to clean it up, he wanted to take advantage of it.

For Trump, it was never a real goal to investigate the Biden's in Ukraine, it has been confirmed under sworn testimony that the actual goal was only to have a public announcement of an investigation. Under Ukrainian law there was no basis to launch an investigation and Trump knew that. There was no seeking justice in this. The real goal was to scandalize a political opponent, so that Trump could talk it up on the campaign trail. It didn't have to be a real scandal, just a plausible excuse for one.
OUTSTANDING POST!!!

Can't rep you again, but your post is worth repeating... your facts are concise and clear. Well done!
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