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Old 12-29-2019, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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The sad bottomline is that this White House can say anything and a large portion of the US population will believe it without question. Whether it is true or not becomes irrelevant, as long as it buttresses the Trump base.
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Old 12-29-2019, 06:47 AM
 
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I saved around $1300 compared to the old federal income tax rate. About half of it was ate up in rent/healthcare increases. Some to inflation and other rising expenses. Basically it didn't move the needle in my spending habits or financial outlook. No dancing in the street for me, lol.
Thank you for this assessment. It’s the reality for most. Between healthcare, housing, school costs and inflation no one is seeing extra money.
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Old 12-29-2019, 01:19 PM
 
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The sad bottomline is that this White House can say anything and a large portion of the US population will believe it without question. Whether it is true or not becomes irrelevant, as long as it buttresses the Trump base.
"Adjusted for inflation, average weekly earnings have fallen 0.1 percent in the past 12 months. "

I do admit grabbing that from late 2018, but still.....Trump voters would have said things were great then also.

Of course, even that decrease in buying power...or an increase in buying power, are "average" and therefore take into account that the top-top earners are skewing the situation upwards.

Bottom line - things are going nowhere. In fact, based on the single largest real economic indicators which I consider things like:

Deficit needed to make up for what isn't being collected.
Number with adequate health care

and such things, one can only say "wrong direction". It's like saying that DOW 10K was great because the GWB/GOP Great Recession sent it below 7K.

My Dad taught us this lesson when we were kids. "Tighten down the thumbscrews really well...keep tightening...then loosen them a couple turns and the tortured will think they are in heaven".

How true!

Bottom line for those who actually look and see - is that the USA economy as a whole for the working people hasn't gone anywhere for 40-50 years.

This is even reflected in our Movies......

On one end we have Wall Street (Movies) and the Wolf of Wall Street.
On the other we have Roger and Me - the decline of corporate responsibility.....

The two are actually linked in that it has become Wall Street that drives a lot of the propaganda that you too can become like them if only you......buy their new trading software!
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Old 12-29-2019, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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LOL --- Kudlow said we would reach 4% GDP in 2018 -- lol.
So don't Trump lovers lover Kudlow anyway because Trump picked him?
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Old 12-29-2019, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Except for the fact that the wealthy don't get to vote thousands of times. Quit making excuses for the bots who vote in failures. Do you actually think the wealthy are putting a gun to peoples head and making them vote a certain way? lol
Hold the public accountable for their bad votes. As if the rich "made me do it". Can people be bribed? Of course but how about we the people quit voting them back into office.

How about we quit voting for the big government frauds you are complaining about. The more power government gets the harder it gets on we the people. If you voted to re elect big government Presidents like Bush or Obama or Trump, you yourself are part of the problem.

lol You just made this up. What proof do you have of this?
The top 1% particularly the top .1% have tremendous influence through lobbyists, the 2017 tax reform was ill advised and wasn't in the best interests of the country. But it sure did benefit the wealthiest and we can thank dark money, its better than a bribe and its perfectly legal thanks to Citizens United and our lack our lose campaign finance laws.
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Old 12-29-2019, 04:10 PM
 
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According to the article:

"Average hourly earnings are $28.29 with a week of take-home pay averaging $973.18 compared to $943.59 in November 2018"

So wages are up $30 per week compared to last year. 30 x 52 weeks is $1560, NOT $5000
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