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Question for City-Data Trump supporters: would you support the idea of a "100% comply" pact between the GOP and Dems?
Would you be okay with Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden were to comply 100% with requested testimony and hand over ALL documents requested of republicans, in exchange for Trump removing his executive privilege block and letting Pompeo, Mulvaney, and Bolton testify, as well as Trump complying and handing over 100% of all documents requested by dems?
EVERYONE involved (Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Hunter Biden, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton) all would have to testify AND provide all documentation requested of them.
In theory, what I am proposing is 100% transparency on all sides, leaving zero to question. Would Trump supporters be okay with that?
I also find it fascinating that Republicans claim they really want Joe Biden to testify. What do you think he is going to say?
He's going to say that he was sent to Ukraine by the State Department with instructions to press to have Shokin removed in accordance with official US policy that was coordinated with both the EU and IMF (we know this, because both Bill Taylor and contemporaneous reporting at the time confirmed it). He's going to say that it had nothing to do with Hunter Biden or stopping an investigation into Burisma. He is going to say that he wasn't aware of any investigation into Hunter Biden or any active investigation into Burisma (we already know this because Ukrainian officials have already confirmed it). If he was smart, he would bring a copy of the bi-partisan letter signed by Wisconsin Senator Rob Johnson pushing for Shokin's removal.
Question for City-Data Trump supporters: would you support the idea of a "100% comply" pact between the GOP and Dems?
Would you be okay with Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden were to comply 100% with requested testimony and hand over ALL documents requested of republicans, in exchange for Trump removing his executive privilege block and letting Pompeo, Mulvaney, and Bolton testify, as well as Trump complying and handing over 100% of all documents requested by dems?
EVERYONE involved (Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Hunter Biden, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton) all would have to testify AND provide all documentation requested of them.
In theory, what I am proposing is 100% transparency on all sides, leaving zero to question. Would Trump supporters be okay with that?
If we can go back to the House where both sides get what they want, then yes... but at this point I couldn't care less. The House was so one sided, they constantly interrupted Republicans from answering questions. You can't just punch someone in the face and then say, okay okay let's be adults now. Pelosi and Schiff would need to make a public statement and say this entire hearing process has been completely one sided, we apologize to the American people and would like to start over again and give our Republican colleagues the same opportunity.
If we can go back to the House where both sides get what they want, then yes... but at this point I couldn't care less. The House was so one sided, they constantly interrupted Republicans from answering questions. You can't just punch someone in the face and then say, okay okay let's be adults now. Pelosi and Schiff would need to make a public statement and say this entire hearing process has been completely one sided, we apologize to the American people and would like to start over again and give our Republican colleagues the same opportunity.
Fair point, and I understand what you're saying.
I just wish that, we as Americans could all agree that it would be in all of our best interests to have access to all the facts. I think it's silly that Joe Biden is being brought into this, but if the GOP wants to dig into him and his son that badly, then let them. The Amerian peole will see if there really is any wrongdoing there. The Bidens should hand over all documents being requested.
If Dems want to dig into Trump's phone all and withholding of aid to Ukraine, let them. And Trump, Mulvaney, Bolton, and Pompeo should hand over all documents being requested.
I would love for the American public to have access to ALL of the facts from all sides. Sworn testimony from Joe Biden and Donald Trump, financial info, e-mails, phone records from Hunter Biden and Mike Pompeo.
That way we could sort through everything and get to the truth. But both sides are so concerned with party over country, we the people know very little of what both sides may be hiding.
I just wish that, we as Americans could all agree that it would be in all of our best interests to have access to all the facts.
I think it's silly that Joe Biden is being brought into this, but if the GOP wants to dig into him and his son that badly, then let them. The Amerian peole will see if there really is any wrongdoing there. The Bidens should hand over all documents being requested.
If Dems want to dig into Trump's phone all and withholding of aid to Ukraine, let them. And Trump, Mulvaney, Bolton, and Pompeo should hand over all documents being requested.
I would love for the American public to have access to ALL of the facts from all sides. Sworn testimony from Joe Biden and Donald Trump, financial info, e-mails, phone records from Hunter Biden and Mike Pompeo.
That way we could sort through everything and get to the truth. But both sides are so concerned with party over country, we the people know very little of what both sides may be hiding.
The House had a judicial remedy to that issue that they chose not to pursue. If there were facts, testimony and evidence that Americans simply must have access to, the House Intel and/or Judiciary Committee should have sought out the tie-breaker in the Judiciary that gets around executive privilege, if warranted.
What the Democrats are doing now is trying to have it both ways, while also erroneously thinking the House can make demands of the Senate in the process. They didn't want to wait, and they think they can simply force the Senate to do what they failed to.
Investigation is where you get all this "truth" and evidence you seek. The House was in too big a hurry to get their impeachment done before the Iowa primary, that they failed to do the investigation properly. They did try for two years with Mueller and got nowhere, and impatiently bulldozed this newest thing through before doing their due diligence. And now they are making demands of the Senate to essentially give them extra timeouts and a do-over.
If you want the truth, write your rep and tell them to redo this nonsense in the House. This simply is not the Senate's job.
Consider a court of law. If a prosecutor fails to make a case against the accused, the job of the judge, jury, bailiff and court reporter isn't to call time out, restart an investigation, sit in the courtroom and wait for new evidence the prosecution should have obtained earlier to just somehow appear, or anything of the sort. The job of the court is to hear the case as presented, follow due process and the rule of law while deciding the case based on either absence of doubt (criminal) or preponderance of evidence (civil), and rendering a verdict. The Democrats want the jury and the judge to join the prosecutor's office to gang up on the accused. It just doesn't work like that.
How does possible corruption on the part of either of the Bidens exonerate Trump from his actions?
It's OK to break the rules if you're "going after" other guys who might have also broken the rules?
It doesn't. Then again, it isn't on the accused to prove innocence or "exonerate" themselves, but rather on the prosecution to prove guilt. Can the House do that? Can they prove the political "guilt" needed to sway 67 senators to vote to remove Trump from office?
Trump, for his part, doesn't need to do a single freaking thing except keep claiming his innocence. The burden of proof is on the House, and they are in fail mode where that is concerned. So they are stalling for time, trying to run out the clock, etc.
They failed to make a case that would sway a single Republican vote, which Pelosi herself defined as a necessary requirement for valid impeachment. They failed to seek judicial override of executive privilege, and they have failed for three years to pin something on Trump. Now they want to hand all this fail off to McConnell like it's all his fault.
I agree that the Bidens have zero to do with it, and the voters will deal with Stumbly J and Lil' Crackpipe come election time. But just like the Biden thing is a sham, so is the whole freaking impeachment circus.
It doesn't. Then again, it isn't on the accused to prove innocence or "exonerate" themselves, but rather on the prosecution to prove guilt. Can the House do that? Can they prove the political "guilt" needed to sway 67 senators to vote to remove Trump from office?
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Trump, for his part, doesn't need to do a single freaking thing except keep claiming his innocence. The burden of proof is on the House, and they are in fail mode where that is concerned. So they are stalling for time, trying to run out the clock, etc.
They failed to make a case that would sway a single Republican vote, which Pelosi herself defined as a necessary requirement for valid impeachment. They failed to seek judicial override of executive privilege, and they have failed for three years to pin something on Trump. Now they want to hand all this fail off to McConnell like it's all his fault.
I agree that the Bidens have zero to do with it, and the voters will deal with Stumbly J and Lil' Crackpipe come election time. But just like the Biden thing is a sham, so is the whole freaking impeachment circus.
But Trump didn’t sit back and keep claiming his innocence. He went out of his way to affirmatively instruct the entire executive branch to refuse to comply with the subpoenas. That is the difference.
But Trump didn’t sit back and keep claiming his innocence. He went out of his way to affirmatively instruct the entire executive branch to refuse to comply with the subpoenas. That is the difference.
EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE.
COEQUAL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.
These terms are important. You should look them up.
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