Whopping 6.3 million people in households with children getting big housing subsidies which is distorting markets (wage, vs)
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Ah, so you gave it away. You're a disrespectful millennial who resorts to an insult when you can't refute an argument. The fact is that there are MILLIONS of people who were born poor and who today are comfortably middle and upper-middle class. This so-called "system" didn't keep them poor.
Maybe when you grow up a bit, you'll see that many people stayed poor because they made bad decisions, while their neighbors and classmates moved up the economic ladder because they made good ones.
Being mistaken for a millennial made my day. I do hit the gym a lot.
Our "system" doesn't keep them poor. My parents were both born poor and each graduated from college, and my dad from grad school. They were smart, hard-working, motivated, and took advantage of academic scholarships.
The poor can do the same. At the minimum, they can take advantage of Pell Grants (not based on academic merit, so ANY poor person can get them) to get a free ride through a 2-year community college program, and end with an A.A. Assuming they picked a marketable field, that is enough to move them from poverty to, at a minimum, the lower-middle class.
P.S. But you didn't explain why the poor deserve to live higher lifestyles than the middle class.
In what years did your parents graduate from college? Going by your user name, you were born in 1976 which would mean that your folks got their diplomas in the early 70's or even the late 60's. The United States was like a whole other country back then. We had a global advantage because many of the world's nations had only recently rebuilt their infrastructures that were destroyed by WWII. In addition, Americans with only a high school diploma could still get good paying manufacturing jobs and the unions would cover their health insurance and pensions. Life was good in the sixties and early seventies. Tuition costs at state universities were fairly low. Students didn't have to take on the crushing load of debt that they do now.
I have no idea why you would call a Pell Grant a "free ride." According to Debt.org, approximately 7.6 million students used Pell Grants in 2016-2017. Those who received the maximum grant of $5,815 were able to cover 60% of the costs for tuition and fees at public four-year colleges. But this maximum grant represented only 29% of the average cost of tuition, fees, room and board at a state school. Plus, the vast majority of students do not get this maximum amount.
I very much doubt that your parents would have such an easy time of it in 2019/2020. Situations change. If you are an educated person like your parents are, you would understand this.
And a housing voucher does NOT give the poor a higher standard of living than the middle class. That was just yet another of LC's lies that he posts on this forum time after time ad nauseum (please see post #35 in this thread). But people - especially the republicans here are too lazy to fact check - especially when some falsehood helps to demonize the poor or those with the wrong skin color.
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Pell Grants are not unlimited ...so NO, every person cannot get them.
In Merica, lower middle class - is still poor.
And yes - our system keeps people poor. I know it’s ugly, but you have to honest.
Agreed - many schools in poor neighborhoods do not have good teachers or provide the education that promotes wanting to get better. A few fight through - but it’s not easy. Problem is people who make opinions to the contrary never lived that life or it was 70 yrs ago when their parents were poor -and drugs, gangs and violence was not a daily problem. Hate to say it but there are different kinds of poor.
Add WIC, SNAP, school meals. Then they call the recipients "poor."
The Federal Minimum wage of $7.25 per hour hasn't been raised in a decade since July 2009.
If you want people off of these programs pay them a living wage instead.
It's quite simple.
Under no circumstances should Section 8 vouchers be used for houses when there are 100 million self-supporting Americans living in apartments because they can't afford a house. Why should those on the government dole get to live a HIGHER lifestyle than people who support themselves?
As if they giving hud vouchers like candy on Halloween ? It’s hard to get a voucher and it’s a very long wait - not to mention the requirements to get help. People are just that poor or disabled etc. That get help.!
Phoenix is a ghost town? Denver is a failed community?
Denver might economically be doing well on paper, but the violent crime and homicides have skyrocketed since 2010.
Denver used to have homicide totals in the 30s quite often since 2000 with a spike every now and then, now it's usually in the 60s. They were at 64 but havent updated since November 2nd.
Lakewood, Aurora, Commerce City, Northglenn, Sheridan, Brighton, Greeley and several other suburbs have lots of violent crime rate also. The high-crime is dispersed throughout the metro area.
The only really low crime areas are Douglas County which is mainly McMansions and is very Republican, Boulder which mainly only millionaires can purchase a home in so they price the problems out and parts of Jefferson County like Wheat Ridge and Applewood that are mainly retirees.
Each and every time I go I am appaled by the condition of the city, except for a small area of Downtown. Denver puts an amazing show for the tourists and comes across as utopian in very small micro-areas but in general Denver has lots of violent crime and social issues and it's spread out far more than a majority of metro areas.
Denver puts on the ultimate act for tourism oriented areas. They have spent billions of the downtown and sure there is a very dense area of very fancy skyscrapers and highrise lofts that give the impression that it's a utopian area.
All one needs to do is take the buses down Colfax, Federal and Sheridan to see what a highly dysfunctional city is that is completely saturated drug use, alcoholism, homeless and crime issues but few people, especially tourists subject themselves to those areas.
Denver is awash and flooded with strong marijuana, meth, heroin and fentanyl is coming in by the brick because of the residents appetite for different drugs.
The crime that is going on much of the Front Range is appaling these days. The area has sky-high suicide rates and drug overdoses.
There is an unavoidable thug culture also that has infested all but Douglas and Boulder county.
Phoenix is not a ghost town, but it gives the impression of being one based on the Downtown. No matter how much they try Downtown Phoenix is way behind Downtown Gilbert, Chandler, Scottsdale, Tempe.
I have been in Arizona on and off for years and rarely went to Phoenix because Phoenix pound for pound has very, very little compared to Tempe, Gilbert, Scottsdale and Chandler.
Phoenix also has extremely high violent crime rates and many areas close to Downtown are extremely dangerous even in broad daylight, compared to many of the vibrant, incredible suburbs that have so much to offer, with very low crime and very little negative social influences.
You forgot to include that you walked 10 miles each way (Uphill) to school.
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Originally Posted by tinytrump
I though under MrT we where all doing biggly? Lots of jobs - money in the bank and a chicken in every pot! This does not add up ! Oh oh I get it the slum lords under capitalism have rents jacked up because nobody can afford the house that 5 yrs ago was $200k. Now $750K. Well isn’t MrT economy fixing all this ?
Losers remain losers, no matter the economy.
And no, LLs can't "jack" the rent up and get the gov't to cover their every whim for those on the section 8 life plan.
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. I do hit the gym a lot.
