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Old 12-31-2019, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by chucksnee View Post
How will this help or fix criminals?



There used to be schools that taught gun safety.....I carried my shotgun in the back window in my junior and senior year of high school....(1987 - 1988)....


What's changed?
That gun culture grew and got more violent. You carrying a gun in the back window of your car is like the first drink of an alcoholic to our growing gun violence culture.
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Old 12-31-2019, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The NRA wrote the background check law. And the feds refuse to enforce it.
The NRA should not have written the background check law due to conflict of interest.
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Old 12-31-2019, 07:34 PM
 
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The NRA should not have written the background check law due to conflict of interest.
No one else would. It is a good law if the justice dept. would prosecute the violators. They prosecute less than 1%.
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Old 12-31-2019, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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No one else would. It is a good law if the justice dept. would prosecute the violators. They prosecute less than 1%.
Really? Then the law allows domestic abusers, mentally ill, and non-screened to have guns.
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Old 12-31-2019, 08:45 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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As we enter the New Year, we should be celebrating dozes alive today at that church due to the good guy with a guy exterminating the threat rapidly.
But you are devaluing his humanity. Maybe the shooter had a bad childhood or was having a bad day.
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Old 12-31-2019, 08:49 PM
 
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Really? Then the law allows domestic abusers, mentally ill, and non-screened to have guns.
Good god, you people are ignorant.

Please quote the law where it says that.

Here, the actual law:

The Gun Control Act (GCA), codified at 18 U.S.C. § 922(g), makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms or ammunition, to include any person:

convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
who is a fugitive from justice;

who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act, codified at 21 U.S.C. § 802);

who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
who is an illegal alien;

who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;

who has renounced his or her United States citizenship;
who is subject to a court order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of the intimate partner; or

who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
The GCA at 18 U.S.C. § 992(n) also makes it unlawful for any person under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year to ship, transport, or receive firearms or ammunition.

Further, the GCA at 18 U.S.C. § 922(d) makes it unlawful to sell or otherwise dispose of firearms or ammunition to any person who is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing firearms or ammunition.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/identif...ibited-persons
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Old 12-31-2019, 08:58 PM
 
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But you are devaluing his humanity. Maybe the shooter had a bad childhood or was having a bad day.
He was inhuman.

He devalued himself.

He is where he belongs.

He earned his outcome.
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Old 12-31-2019, 09:02 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I feel a lot safer going to church or WalMart in California than I would in Texas.
What makes you so sure? See San Diego synagogue shooting. Last April.
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Old 01-01-2020, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I think it is in reference to the security guard who was killed in the attack.

Lot of shootings at TX churches, so I guess the "mass shooters always choose gun-free zones" is an argument of the past.

Those parishioners, who were also volunteer members of the church's security team, are able to carry guns into church due to a law passed by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott in response to another deadly church shooting that took the lives of 26 people in 2017. Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick referred to the law during a Sunday night press conference, saying that it was passed following the deadly shooting at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs. It took effect in September, Patrick said. Senate Bill 535 took effect in September and clarifies possession of firearms at places of worship. The bill allows licensed handgun owners to legally carry their weapons in churches, synagogues and other houses of worship.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/30/us/gu...rch/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/07/us/te...rnd/index.html

Maybe the shooter didn't get the memo.
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Old 01-01-2020, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Lot of shootings at TX churches, so I guess the "mass shooters always choose gun-free zones" is an argument of the past.
Really? "Lots of shootings?" How many church shootings have happened in Texas in the past ten years? I believe there's been at least as many in Pennsylvania as there have been in Texas, maybe more.

Remember when you consider ANY numbers of incidents in any state or city, to look at the figures "per capita."
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