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Old 01-02-2020, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Indentured Servant View Post
It's interesting that a person generates animosity and resistance from simply seeking to UNDERSTAND why things are happening.

You are really not looking for a solution if you are not seeking to understand why. To simply say hate is hate is a cop out. What is making them hate? There is a reason for everything.
Its beyond weird.

The hate is real, but people are offended when others seek to figure out the root causes. They are offended to a point where they attack those who are asking the questions.

Why are they triggered?

How can you possibly find a solution to problems you don't understand, and do NOT want to understand?

It's almost as if they don't want it to stop, because then they's lose a partisan tool. That would be the same reason they have not put an end to abortion. Its a goose laying golden political eggs for them.

 
Old 01-02-2020, 08:55 AM
 
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I agree with you on this 100%. And I’m not even Jewish. But I can see hypocrisy and excuse making for what it is. I wish they would just say that’s awful and condemn the actions. Stop making excuses for people who commit violence. It’s wrong. This is why kids today think they have no responsibility for their actions. People always make excuses and try to find some reason for what they did wrong. And this is not limited to black people. It’s a problem with society as a whole. Ask any teacher what happens when they call a parent about the bad behavior of their son or daughter. It often is blamed on the teachers themselves. No one will accept responsibility for their actions or the actions of their children.
Thanks again.

And I agree with you that we should blame the perpetrators, period - just like in that case where the white boy opened fire in blacks in church. I certainly did not hear liberals OR conservatives trying to blame black people when that white boy attacked, trying to figure out what blacks must have done to his community to invite the attack. They condemned it, as appropriate, without any "analysis" of how the victims somehow encouraged it by their actions.

But here.....when it is blacks against Jews, we see the double standards in their full glory: the determination with which leftists try to analyze Jewish behavior and somehow explain the attacks as being related to the way Jews behave. We've seen everything from "soft" critiques about the Orthodox speaking and dressing differently to "hard-line" anti-Semitic stereotypes about Jewish landlords and "economic violence" by Jews (whatever THAT is supposed to mean.)

Blaming the victim is wrong in any regard - much like one would not say a rape victim shouldn't have worn so short a skirt - but what is really telling is the fervor with which liberals apply a different standard when the criminals are a) black, and the victims are b) Jewish.
 
Old 01-02-2020, 08:56 AM
 
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No, there was no blame. It is an honest question, which you made no attempt to answer.

So you know why anti-Jew attacks are happening in NY and not elsewhere?
First, I did not ask the question so I made no attempt to answer it; but it seems obvious to me that Hasidic Jews look like Jews while walking down the streets, whereas non-Hasidic Jews do not wear their religion on their sleeve so to speak. If the people are attacking Jews for whatever reason, it stands to reason they would attack ones who are obvious Jews.

And if they’re doing it because they feel hard done by for some reason, I don’t really care. Every crime has some stupid reason for it in the mind of the perpetrator. It doesn’t mean it’s valid or something we should think about too much. The only reason we care about motive is to catch a criminal, not to excuse the crime.
 
Old 01-02-2020, 08:57 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach
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It IS an exception. Like I mentioned earlier, West Palm Beach in Florida has the highers concentration of Jews anywhere in the country (20%), but we are not seeing attacks against them. The rest of South Florida has a high concentration of them, but the issue does not exist. That is why I am asking the question. Why in NY, and not elsewhere?

Your ideas that there is no law enforecment in NY, and that crimes are not punished, and that the population is being taught to attack Jews sound more like Moscow propaganda than anything else. Don't believe everything you read in RT, Breitbart of RW blogs in FB.


This is actually a valid question. 20 percent of Palm Beach County's population consists of Jews. West Palm Beach's population is 32 percent black. That's higher than both the state and national average and also higher than NYC's black population percentage wise. Yet you don't hear of these attacks by blacks against Jews here like you do there. I currently reside in West Palm Beach and I too can attest to this. So why does it seem like it's more prevalent in NYC?

My guess is due to the existence of The Black Israelites. They have a large presence in the Northeast and little to no following down south. From my understanding, they share a disdain for Hasidic and European Jews. their views can be pretty extremist.

Aside from that, this act was horrible. Hope all involved will be punished
 
Old 01-02-2020, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Rofl ... just rofl. I’m 50 years old and have never once heard people earnestly desire a constructive conversation about potential reasons for violence any time a black person is killed by a white person. The conversation does not exist - only screaming, shouting, and protesting along with lamentations of the evil of whites.

Now Jews are being targeted by blacks, and the black response is the desire for a conversation to question WHY it could be happening.

What horsesh*t.

Progressives, the Media and Democrats. All one in the same just want to find excuses to exonerate Blacks and the Black community from any and all guilt. Blacks can NOT be responsible for their own actions, nor circumstance. It is everyone else's fault. Also, Blacks can not be Racist even though many are, and even within their own community. A few here have even admitted that thankfully.
 
Old 01-02-2020, 08:58 AM
 
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Any theories as to what spiked the frequency of these anti-Semitic attacks?
Well for one thing, the authorities have gone soft on crime.
 
Old 01-02-2020, 08:58 AM
 
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Any theories as to what spiked the frequency of these anti-Semitic attacks?
There has been some thought that it is related to the soft approach on crime the leftist mayor is taking, and his new "no bail" policy. I was appalled when I saw how the mayor just stood by and told his police force to "take it" when blacks assaulted them in the streets, pouring water over their heads. Add in the fact that the mayor himself has vilified his own police force, and you're seeing the outcome.
 
Old 01-02-2020, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Any theories as to what spiked the frequency of these anti-Semitic attacks?
That is what we have been wondering, but for whatever reason some posters become very angry when the question is raised.
 
Old 01-02-2020, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The only reason we care about motive is to catch a criminal, not to excuse the crime.
If you were interested in preventing future crimes, you'd want to understand the root causes. Its much like fighting a disease. You have to understand it before you can find a cure.

But your answer explains why people are offended by others trying to understand it. You think people seeking to understand are somehow trying to 'excuse' the crimes. That is pretty ignorant, but it explains the anger.
 
Old 01-02-2020, 09:07 AM
 
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Its beyond weird.

The hate is real, but people are offended when others seek to figure out the root causes. They are offended to a point where they attack those who are asking the questions.

Why are they triggered?

How can you possibly find a solution to problems you don't understand, and do NOT want to understand?

It's almost as if they don't want it to stop, because then they's lose a partisan tool. That would be the same reason they have not put an end to abortion. Its a goose laying golden political eggs for them.
You keep claiming that anyone not on the same page as you with your blame shifting search for root causes to initiations of force is "triggered" or "offended." I am neither triggered nor offended. I simply disagree with your implied rationale that these attacks are a "problem" other than simple initiations of force, and that this problem has a "solution" beyond allowing the victim to respond with whatever force they deem appropriate.

It's not just these recent attacks in NY. It's not just Jews, or blacks, or whoever. If there is a "problem", it is trying to blame shift and otherwise excuse initiations of force as being somehow justified. The "solution" is stop blame shifting and punish the initiators of force. Do not excuse the individual who initiates force. There is no excuse. Do not attempt to find a reason, because there is only one reason - hate.

That isn't me being triggered, or angry, or whatever you like to project onto whoever disagrees with you, but rather just being matter of fact and logically consistent.
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