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Old 01-02-2020, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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You just demonstrated my point.
No I didn't, I stated a fact. Those middle-classers not suffering from TDS know it.
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Old 01-02-2020, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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No I didn't, I stated a fact. Those middle-classers not suffering from TDS know it.
You continue to demonstrate exactly my point. Especially since you believe you were stating "facts," which you certainly were not.
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Old 01-02-2020, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Here we go with the "oh but what does Europe think/do BS"

Those nations don't have big defense budgets because....... we cover that. Security isn't free.

They also don't have only 55% of their adult working citizens paying ZERO income tax like it is here.

My health insurance is excellent, A+. And very affordable. It's not hard to access good health care here despite what the socialists say. The $12 hourly employees at my company have access to the same plan I do.



Was Obama slipping when he added more debt than all past presidents combined?
Where are your cites of the Democrats painting the middle class as poor or dying?

Cite up or shut up...
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Old 01-02-2020, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Where are your cites of the Democrats painting the middle class as poor or dying?

Cite up or shut up...
I never said "dying" in that context.

But if you can stomach watching a democratic debate or listen to them enough it's easily apparent.
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Old 01-02-2020, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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You continue to demonstrate exactly my point. Especially since you believe you were stating "facts," which you certainly were not.
Check the economy then vs now. You clearly have TDS.
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Old 01-02-2020, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Boston
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someone making between $50,000 and $70,000 per year would see a health-care-related tax increase of $5,000 under Medicare for All.

This is on top of Medicare premiums you already pay. So if you're on Medicare now, you'll be paying approx $150 a month for each person (like you do now) $5,000 increase in your taxes per year, per person, and of course you'll need supplemental insurance because as you know, Medicare only pay's 80% of your medical bills..

sounds wonderful huh? all the seniors are going to love it huh?
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Old 01-02-2020, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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someone making between $50,000 and $70,000 per year would see a health-care-related tax increase of $5,000 under Medicare for All.

This is on top of Medicare premiums you already pay. So if you're on Medicare now, you'll be paying approx $150 a month for each person (like you do now) $5,000 increase in your taxes per year, per person, and of course you'll need supplemental insurance because as you know, Medicare only pay's 80% of your medical bills..

sounds wonderful huh? all the seniors are going to love it huh?
Way more than that, but yeah.
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Old 01-02-2020, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Check the economy then vs now. You clearly have TDS.
Yawn. You have TCS.

Your problem is, you believe your opinions are facts. They are not. For example ...

Trump Boasts on Economy Undercut by Weak Middle-Class Pay Gains

Trump has turned the government against the middle class

Will President Trump Finally Address Middle-Class Woes?

So you see, every one of your "facts" you think supports your claim, I can counter with something else just as backed up with statistics as you claim you can for yours.

So as I said, you're just another person who ...
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When the president is a democrat, it is the republicans who say the middle class is suffering and dying to be saved by their policies.

When the president is a republican, it is the democrats who say the middle class is suffering and dying to be saved by their policies.
The corollary for that is, of course, when the president is a republican, other republicans think the middle class is doing great. And when the president is a democrat, other democrats think the middle class is doing great.

Pretty predictable.
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Old 01-02-2020, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Way more than that, but yeah.
no that's about it

Husband and wife Medicare premium payments 2x150 = $300 a month = $3600 a year

Husband and wife tax increase $5,000 x 2 = $833 a month =$10,000 a year

Supplemental insurance = $300/$400 a month $3600 a year

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Figure on $1500 a month for health insurance under M4A....

for a husband and wife.
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Old 01-02-2020, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Yawn. You have TCS.

Your problem is, you believe your opinions are facts. They are not. For example ...

Trump Boasts on Economy Undercut by Weak Middle-Class Pay Gains

Trump has turned the government against the middle class

Will President Trump Finally Address Middle-Class Woes?

So you see, every one of your "facts" you think supports your claim, I can counter with something else just as backed up with statistics as you claim you can for yours.

So as I said, you're just another person who ...

The corollary for that is, of course, when the president is a republican, other republicans think the middle class is doing great. And when the president is a democrat, other democrats think the middle class is doing great.

Pretty predictable.
First off....great sources. Bloomberg and then 2 opinion pieces written by liberals.

LOL. I never said the middle class was suffering under Obama, although Obamacare really screwed them over so they might as well have been. I just said they are doing better now.

Do you have any money? If you did you would see gains, too. My portfolio has skyrocketed, so has everyone else's. Even if you have minimal investments your 401k should be performing nicely. RE prices are up, it's still very much a seller's market. If you own a house you should be happy, too.

Those aren't claims, those are facts. Stock market record highs and climbing (even the market knows the impeachment is a sham) and very healthy GDP isn't mine or anyone's opinion.
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