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Old 01-04-2020, 09:37 AM
 
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I voted for him because he wasn't John McCain, another war monger just as bad as Obama turned out to be.
Yes, I remember McCain calling for ground troops to be sent into Libya and Syria. I have issues with the scale of our drone attacks and with the fact that Gitmo is still there. I think in the long term adhering to our principles serves us best. A shining example of that is Iran...we deposed their fledgeling democracy in 1953 and reinstated the shah, who ran a very oppressive regime, in return for him opening up Iran's vast oil fields to American oil companies, built the second largest embassy in the world to house US intelligence operations to aid his brutal secret police...whom we also help train..suppress dissent. We deviated badly from our core principles and doing what was right in our dealings with the shah and Iranian people and boy oh boy has that ever bitten us in the arse. It paved the way for the Iranian revolution in 1979 which was hijacked by the religious extremists (aided by the Iraqi invasion by Saddam Hussein...whom we backed at the time...another situation that bit us in the arse).
We should have approached the Iranian people in 1953 and said that we, too, had had the experience of being ruled by an oppressive monarch...in fact we owe our very nationhood to an eight year long rebellion against that monarch....and we as the world's leading democracy stand for human dignity and democracy for all, them included, and would like to encourage their democracy in every way possible, and would like to help them develop their oil fields in such a manner as to lift them out of third world status as well. I am willing to bet if we had held true to our nation,'s stated principles in Iran in 1953 instead of following the path we did we, the Iranians, and the world would be in a much better place then we find ourselves in at present.
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Old 01-04-2020, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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You know, simple things like if you punch someone they will more than likely punch you back.
The Iranians punched the US by orchestrating the attack on the US Embassy Mission in Iraq.

In return, the US punched Iran back.

Accordingly, by your own admission, your position is hypocritical.
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Old 01-04-2020, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Yesterday: Trump is the greatest because he hasn't started any new wars and is continuing to pull troops out of the Middle East.

Today: Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran. Anyone who disagrees is a traitor to the United States and a terrorist sympathizer.

So which is it?
It's whatever tRump/Fox News/hate radio tell them it is today.


Right wingers are NOT analytical, logical actors.

They're followers who will immediately take whatever position they're told to.

Science has proven it.

Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them. They value uniformity and are in favour of using group authority, including coercion, to achieve it.
Right-wing authoritarians want society and social interactions structured in ways that increase uniformity and minimize diversity. In order to achieve that, they tend to be in favour of social control, coercion, and the use of group authority to place constraints on the behaviours of people such as political dissidents and ethnic minorities. These constraints might include restrictions on immigration, limits on free speech and association and laws regulating moral behaviour. It is the willingness to support or take action that leads to increased social uniformity that makes right-wing authoritarianism more than just a personal distaste for difference. Right-wing authoritarianism is characterized by obedience to authority, moral absolutism, racial and ethnic prejudice, and intolerance and punitiveness towards dissidents and deviants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-...thoritarianism

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Old 01-04-2020, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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You apparently don't know that Congress is the ones that ratify treaties (like was just done with USMCA), the President only negotiates. If Congress had ratified it, Trump would not have been able to pull out.
You ought to really consider giving your high school diploma back and refraining from voting.

Congress does not, and has never, ratified a treaty.

The Senate --- and only the Senate -- can ratify a treaty.

That's what the US Constitution says.

The President is the Chief Diplomat.

Accordingly, the President may abrogate -- you know, withdraw -- from any treaty at any time for any reason or no reason at all, and no President is required to explain their actions, nor does any President need the approval of either the Senate, the House or both to abrogate a treaty.

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that other Presidents have withdrawn from treaties, like the ABM Treaty.

You'd also know that the President recently withdrew from the INF Treaty.

That means the US can now develop and deploy intermediate range ballistic missiles as well as ground-launched cruise missiles (the INF had no effect on sea-launched or air-launched cruise missiles).
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Old 01-04-2020, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why is there a US embassy in Iraq?

What US interests in Iraq are we protecting?

Why are those interests conflated with homeland security?

Exxon Mobil can afford their own contracted defense when they choose to operate in unfriendly places, no?
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Old 01-04-2020, 11:09 AM
 
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I like Trump's approach so far - get in and get out precision strikes. Not massive armies with civilian and military causalities. I don't have a problem with backing up our allies, which is just about every country in the Middle East except Iran and Qatar, who can do most of the fighting. Their combined intelligence is key here.


The OP needn't worry. He will have five more years to figure out Trump supporters and by then, if not sooner, he will #WalkAway like hundreds of thousands of his fellow Dems
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Old 01-04-2020, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I don't care what he does. As I made clear (and you cannot understand) "We, the members of Trump's base, will decide what is important". And it wasn't on the list.
I've posted it for your review.
Then I hope Kavanaugh decisions if he is deciding vote is contested and challenged due to bias. I'm sorry but "Trump and Trump's base likes him" isn't a good enough reason for him to be on the bench of the Highest Court in the US. I don't care what you say, that is the truth.
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Old 01-04-2020, 12:09 PM
 
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It's whatever tRump/Fox News/hate radio tell them it is today.


Right wingers are NOT analytical, logical actors.
Wait. Didn't you tell us the Right Wing was afraid of Beto O'Rourke and that Hillary would be President. LAWL.

Speaking of that, here's your girl. Quite the Double Standard don't you think? i.e. Leftists are OK with Democrat War Mongers.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y
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Old 01-04-2020, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Kitty...

SO desperate.

This isn't about me, Beto or Hillary.

Try to keep up with the topic at hand.

Why is it that Trumplings do a 180 overnight?

Well, it's no mystery.

Science has the answer.

Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them. They value uniformity and are in favour of using group authority, including coercion, to achieve it.
Right-wing authoritarians want society and social interactions structured in ways that increase uniformity and minimize diversity. In order to achieve that, they tend to be in favour of social control, coercion, and the use of group authority to place constraints on the behaviours of people such as political dissidents and ethnic minorities. These constraints might include restrictions on immigration, limits on free speech and association and laws regulating moral behaviour. It is the willingness to support or take action that leads to increased social uniformity that makes right-wing authoritarianism more than just a personal distaste for difference. Right-wing authoritarianism is characterized by obedience to authority, moral absolutism, racial and ethnic prejudice, and intolerance and punitiveness towards dissidents and deviants.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-...thoritarianism

Carry on.

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Old 01-04-2020, 12:27 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
Kitty...

SO desperate.

Try to keep up with the topic at hand.

Why is it that Trumplings do a 180 overnight?

Well, it's no mystery.

Science has proven it.

Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them. They value uniformity and are in favour of using group authority, including coercion, to achieve it.
Right-wing authoritarians want society and social interactions structured in ways that increase uniformity and minimize diversity. In order to achieve that, they tend to be in favour of social control, coercion, and the use of group authority to place constraints on the behaviours of people such as political dissidents and ethnic minorities. These constraints might include restrictions on immigration, limits on free speech and association and laws regulating moral behaviour. It is the willingness to support or take action that leads to increased social uniformity that makes right-wing authoritarianism more than just a personal distaste for difference. Right-wing authoritarianism is characterized by obedience to authority, moral absolutism, racial and ethnic prejudice, and intolerance and punitiveness towards dissidents and deviants.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-...thoritarianism

Carry on.

Oh yes, right wing authoritarianism... Any other storybook conspiracy fiction you like to vomit on this thread?
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