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Old 01-06-2020, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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I think both sides are just playing a war of words and hot air and people here seemed to be worked up.

Iran states they will destroy large Israeli cities and chants Death to America. Other than some proxy killings and bombings it will not carry out its threat.

Trump bombastically proclaims that he will destroy cultural sites knowing that that wll get Iran's attention whereas bombing cities or oil fields might not evoke the same gut reaction. These are also words and I do not think Trump will do that.

The smart country in this scenario is Israel. It says nothing but makes it known that it has nuclear weapons and lets other guess or call their bluff that they will not be used.
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Old 01-06-2020, 08:35 AM
 
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I agree that Trump needs a new profession. Perhaps you need to start paying attention to what's going on? Did you even know that Trump threatened 52 sites? Or did you just learn that in this thread?
I'm glad he let them know we won't tolerate their nonsense.
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Old 01-06-2020, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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I think both sides are just playing a war of words and hot air and people here seemed to be worked up.

Iran states they will destroy large Israeli cities and chants Death to America. Other than some proxy killings and bombings it will not carry out its threat.

Trump bombastically proclaims that he will destroy cultural sites knowing that that wll get Iran's attention whereas bombing cities or oil fields might not evoke the same gut reaction. These are also words and I do not think Trump will do that.

The smart country in this scenario is Israel. It says nothing but makes it known that it has nuclear weapons and lets other guess or call their bluff that they will not be used.
Finally ... a voice of reason!
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Old 01-06-2020, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Then they shouldn't attack the US.

It's no different than liberals who get bent out of shape when a criminal shot breaking into a home.

If you don't want to get shot, don't break into homes.

Don't want you cultural sites destroyed, don't attack the US.




True, but you should think smarter than caveman ideas. Destroying cultural sites in Iran will help enable decades of extremists by terrorist organizations to attack you, your children and your grandchildren. It will even turn "normal" people into extremists.


And the cycle repeats itself - that's what happens to America every single time. Very bad idea.
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Old 01-06-2020, 08:35 AM
 
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Then they shouldn't attack the US.

It's no different than liberals who get bent out of shape when a criminal shot breaking into a home.

If you don't want to get shot, don't break into homes.

Don't want you cultural sites destroyed, don't attack the US.
That's not how it works. An attack isn't reason to commit war crimes. You retaliate if necessary, but committing war crimes that you agreed not to commit is as low as you can get.
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Old 01-06-2020, 08:36 AM
 
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True, but you should think smarter than caveman ideas. Destroying cultural sites in Iran will help enable decades of extremists by terrorist organizations to attack you, your children and your grandchildren. It will even turn "normal" people into extremists.


And the cycle repeats itself - that's what happens to America every single time. Very bad idea.
They don't care... they want the worst of wars.
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Old 01-06-2020, 08:37 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/05/u...ral-sites.html




This is a basic moral flaw in Trump. He sees no right and wrong. He would just as soon blow up the Sistine Chapel, the Pyramids or the Louvre and destroy thousands of years of history and art rather than address current political situations.


I have stated over and over various aspects of his amorality. With no morals you are nothing more than an animal and unfit for any position of governmental leadership.
It also violates international treaties and would be considered war crimes.

Most people however will blindly follow along with and support whatever Trump says because they believe he's "chosen by God."

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They don't care... they want the worst of wars.
Yep. They need a massive war in the Middle East because it's necessary to kick off the End Times and the second coming of Jesus Christ.
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Old 01-06-2020, 08:37 AM
 
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I think both sides are just playing a war of words and hot air and people here seemed to be worked up.

Iran states they will destroy large Israeli cities and chants Death to America. Other than some proxy killings and bombings it will not carry out its threat.

Trump bombastically proclaims that he will destroy cultural sites knowing that that wll get Iran's attention whereas bombing cities or oil fields might not evoke the same gut reaction. These are also words and I do not think Trump will do that.
That's exactly why you put that kind of thing on the table, it's an effort to prevent further escalation. Obviously no one would want any of that to actually happen, but when you are dealing with a terrorist theocracy you can't use kid gloves with them.
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Old 01-06-2020, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I think both sides are just playing a war of words and hot air and people here seemed to be worked up.

Iran states they will destroy large Israeli cities and chants Death to America. Other than some proxy killings and bombings it will not carry out its threat.

Trump bombastically proclaims that he will destroy cultural sites knowing that that wll get Iran's attention whereas bombing cities or oil fields might not evoke the same gut reaction. These are also words and I do not think Trump will do that.

The smart country in this scenario is Israel. It says nothing but makes it known that it has nuclear weapons and lets other guess or call their bluff that they will not be used.


You're probably correct. Right now, impeachment is boring as hell and Iran is hot news. Fast forward 4 weeks and Iran has still not attacked and the media tries to go back to the impeachment.

By this time (Feb-March), Americans are bored of impeachment and nobody cares.

Then around March-April, Trump starts to talk about China trade deals and Americans are impressed. Easy re-election!


Pretty well done.
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Old 01-06-2020, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Yes. It's the citizens of a country that empower the leaders of that country. I'm for making war as terrible as possible so that it is as rare as possible. The more you try to make war as painless as possible for civilians, the more you'll have war. War should be absolutely horrible....and as a result, rare to non existent.
Then what kind of a war strategy do you want against Iran? A costly old fashioned two front one in which one front is launched from the Afghanistan border and the other one from the Iraq border and they all meet up in Tehran for the final fight to declare victory? Or just bomb Iran to submission, and if that doesn't work advance to using nuclear bombs to make it extra horribe?
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