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Old 01-09-2020, 03:47 PM
 
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I'd rather countries go after each other's politicians rather than ordinary soldiers who really are just in the crapper because of their idiot politicians. Imagine how many less wars there would be if the leaders had to be in the front lines in today's world.
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Old 01-09-2020, 03:59 PM
 
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I'd rather countries go after each other's politicians rather than ordinary soldiers who really are just in the crapper because of their idiot politicians. Imagine how many less wars there would be if the leaders had to be in the front lines in today's world.
I'm fine with that in theory, if you want to go to war your kids and family should be on the front lines.

Reality is far different. Politician's kids get preferential treatment and are usually not on the front lines IF they are even in the military. Not only that, wars are independent of assassinations. There is a reason that it is frowned upon, you don't want people starting to pick off key officials. Imagine if Biden wins and two weeks later half of the supreme court judges get picked off on their way out of court by some Iranian sympathizer.

How about if other nations start picking off defense secretaries or members of congress? People might be surprised how little to no security some of these people have. The reality is you don't want to start stuff like this because it can create not only unrest and destabilize countries it can also pretty rapidly expand conflicts to all out war. See history.

In general, it is just bad policy long term. Much of the problems we have in the middle east are self created. Nothing is going to change there unless the way we treat that area changes.
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Old 01-09-2020, 07:44 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Another record high close today.

Iran is a big nothing burger.
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Old 01-09-2020, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Another record high close today.

Iran is a big nothing burger.
If a war had started it would have gone down for a bit, then up again. Markets typically like war. Lots of government spending, like a stimulus. The markets did well during the Iraq War, Vietnam, etc...
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Old 01-10-2020, 02:08 PM
 
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I also like the fact that this is a signal to the short fat man in North Korea that we too could take him out. I noticed his threat over Christmas, I hope this will quiet him down.
Maybe Dennis Rodman can intervene...
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Old 01-10-2020, 02:23 PM
 
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Bible prophecy is there will be peace in the middle east for some time.
About 3 yrs of total world peace.
Everyone will love The Anti Christ due to world peace
Not realizing who he is
He is very Charismatic (it's not Trump of course)
They've already sacrificed an animal at the temple in Jerusalem
Just the last year or two
They will re-build the temple then the Anti-Christ
Will sit on the throne declaring himself to be GOD.


Other events-

Those christians who were converted on earth
during this 7 year tribulation
if they do not take the mark of the beast
(a mark on your forehead or in your right arm)
will not be able to buy or sell
They will die of starvation or be-heading
One world currency

1/3 of the Jews will be converted to Christianity during this 7 yr tribulation
The largest mass conversion to Christianity will take place
They've already sacrificed an animal at the temple in Jerusalem
They will rebuild the temple
As stated, The Antichrist will sit on that seat, the throne
to declare himself GOD

Trump declared Jerusalem the Capitol late 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/w...l-capital.html


FWIW, I don't believe the 7 yr Tribulation has begun yet


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Old 01-10-2020, 03:22 PM
 
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So there are a few things in my opinion...


1) War generally doesn't hurt the stock market, it can even help it according to some data, how much of it is just coincidence is up to the individual to decide.


2) With that being said, the possible start of war and creates uncertainty and fear for economic retaliation and consequences, which generally hurts the stock market short-term.


3) However, I think today went up because people thought Iran would have retaliated by now and the US would have fired back at all those 52 sites and truly start a war. That didn't happen.
A couple day ago, i got a post about how much the stock options earned the defense contractors who run the companies who now have to build replacements for all the hardware that was used. The missile maker would make 2.5 million on the stock options.
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Old 01-10-2020, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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An enemy which the U.S. (and Britain) created by their own meddling. Perhaps the meddling is the problem? The Iranian Revolution would never have proceeded the way it did without the U.S.'s Cold War actions.

If short term gains are all you care about, then may you enjoy them while they last, and don't worry about any consequences of any of this. Like, oh idk, the hair trigger Iran was on causing them to mistakenly fire a missile at an airliner and kill 176 people. Which would not have happened without the tension, because that system is not turned on otherwise. But it's all good. The Dow is testing 29k now.
Do you have a time machine and a plan that would have changed the outcome positively? No? Ok, then we need a leader that addresses the here and now, not one that rails about the wrongs of others 50 years ago.
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Old 01-10-2020, 03:56 PM
 
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Do you have a time machine and a plan that would have changed the outcome positively? No? Ok, then we need a leader that addresses the here and now, not one that rails about the wrongs of others 50 years ago.
Sure we need to deal with the here and now. It helps to know how we got into this mess. Maybe we can learn from mistakes made.

And I wonder if the old stuff they fired on us came from the Ollie North, Iran Contra escapade. That would make me cry.
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Old 01-10-2020, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The market has had a huge run up. Now we get these huge negative world events from the fallout with Iran, yet the market still recovered today. The market is so unpredictable.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average is just 30 publicly-traded corporations.

There are ~880,000 companies that may legally sell stocks on the DOW, NYSE and NASDAQ.

It would be absurd to suggest that 30 companies are even remotely representative of the ~880,000.

The Market neither characterizes the economy nor has a bearing on the economy.

Since stock transactions are anonymous, you have no ideal who is trading. It could be foreign entities or domestic entities or both.

It's quite likely many of the transactions are conducted by foreign entities who may have little understanding of US politics, much less global politics. Of course, there are domestic entities who have little understanding, either.
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