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Old 01-07-2020, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Sure we heard that before in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. It’s not that easy and Iran is a step up, you don’t win wars just in the air.
Absolutely not. We had a heck of a lot more than six B-52s operating over Vietnam, a nation the size of Florida, and it didn't win it for us. As a matter of fact, trying to rely on air-power alone in North Vietnam should have taught us a lesson.
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Old 01-07-2020, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Absolutely it does. Crush their economy and after they burn through the rest of that Obama money they won't be able to fund their global terrorism network anymore even if their next government is just as bad.

On top of that, China and Russia likely move into the power vacuum and seek to make the country profitable for them which would mean a more stable, friendly government.

There's no need for a long engagement in Iran, the damage can be done quickly and with few to no casualties on the US side. The Iranians know this so don't be shocked if they don't pick suicide.
So helping out China and Russia is the end game.
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Old 01-07-2020, 06:43 AM
 
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What did Iran escalate that the US didn't already instigate?
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Old 01-07-2020, 06:45 AM
 
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Absolutely not. We had a heck of a lot more than six B-52s operating in Vietnam, a nation the size of Florida, and it didn't win it for us. As a matter of fact, trying to rely on air-power alone in North Vietnam should have taught us a lesson.
People have always overestimated our military ability since WW2.
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Old 01-07-2020, 06:45 AM
 
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Absolutely not. We had a heck of a lot more than six B-52s operating in Vietnam, a nation the size of Florida, and it didn't win it for us. As a matter of fact, trying to rely on air-power alone in North Vietnam should have taught us a lesson.
The goals were different in Vietnam and that was a ground war.

The goal in Iran should be to merely cripple them militarily and economically while destroying the infrastructure of their society. All of that can be done with missile attacks and air strikes.

The prospect of that clearly has you shook so even you know it to be true even if you won't admit it.
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Old 01-07-2020, 06:46 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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And that resolves the problem with Iran?

... such strategy would certainly NOT resolve the issue.
What problem with Iran?

Perpetual low intensity war, rare or no casualties, expensive weaponry on full production. What's the problem?


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If Iran deescalates it will probably be the end of their regime.

The Mullahs need to act.
Yes, all they have to do is explode a car or drone bomb here and there (e.g. Yemen, Israel, Syria, Saudi Arabia) and call it an act, should be enough as far as that aspect of remaining in power goes.


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The only reason the USA hasn't fully invaded ...
Invasion? What invasion?

Nobody wants end-game, there's no profit in it.
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Old 01-07-2020, 06:46 AM
 
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So helping out China and Russia is the end game.
That would be the most feeble minded way of looking at it.

The end game is to stop the Iranian global terrorist network.
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Old 01-07-2020, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The goals were different in Vietnam and that was a ground war.

The goal in Iran should be to merely cripple them militarily and economically while destroying the infrastructure of their society. All of that can be done with missile attacks and air strikes.

The prospect of that clearly has you shook so even you know it to be true even if you won't admit it.
That was the same goal in North Vietnam too. It didn't work.

Can you name one war which was won by air-power alone?
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Old 01-07-2020, 06:50 AM
 
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We should be 100% out of the ME.
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Old 01-07-2020, 06:50 AM
 
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What problem with Iran?
Why are people glamouring for war with them if there is no issue?
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