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Old 01-10-2020, 06:09 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest View Post
The Senate impeachment trial should be postponed until the SCOTUS weighs in?

I could agree to that.
Why would anyone agree to that???

The whole democrat strategy is:

1. Impeach quickly, before the election. (They don’t even deny this)

2. Stall the exoneration until after the election.

Postponing the Senate trial would be validating the House’s strategy as well as their shoddy impeachment hearings.

Any logical person would conclude, if they had enough evidence to impeach him in the House, it should be enough to convict him in the Senate. If not, then the House didn’t do their jobs. If not, then the democrats must KNOW that they impeached an innocent man, or at least a man that didn’t have enough evidence against him for a real guilty verdict. Sorry, but there are consequences to shoddy work.
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:13 AM
 
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Trump's not claiming "absolute immunity." It's called executive privilege, as established by SCOTUS.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1TD2LE

That was Pelosi's, Schiff's, and Nadler's call in the House. They were unwilling. Go figure. /shrug
Claiming for himself & all staff members (former & present), refusing to provide any & all testamentary doecuments & evidence & with the intent to block any & all inquiry, investigation & impeachment proceedings is not 'executive privilege', it is as Mr. Dershowitz asserts here:

ALAN DERSHOWITZ TELLS FOX NEWS DONALD TRUMP IS 'FAR MORE POWERFUL THAN' A KING

https://www.newsweek.com/alan-dersho...x-news-1474130

Are American people really ok with this?

It would seem we sought our independence from the absolute rule of kings.

I guess the one true statement Mr. Trump said before elected, & the one his lawyers are regurgitating:

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Chin asked Consovoy: “What’s your view on the Fifth Avenue example? Local authorities couldn’t investigate? They couldn’t do anything about it?”

“I think once a president is removed from office, any local authority – this is not a permanent immunity,” Consovoy said in response.

“Well, I’m talking about while in office. That’s the hypo[thetical]. Nothing could be done? That is your position?” Chin pressed further.

“That is correct,” Consovoy said.
Trump couldn't be prosecuted if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, lawyer claims

Attorney argues president is immune from ‘local pressures’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-avenue-murder
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:16 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Why would anyone agree to that???

The whole democrat strategy is:

1. Impeach quickly, before the election. (They don’t even deny this)

2. Stall the exoneration until after the election.

Postponing the Senate trial would be validating the House’s strategy as well as their shoddy impeachment hearings.

Any logical person would conclude, if they had enough evidence to impeach him in the House, it should be enough to convict him in the Senate. If not, then the House didn’t do their jobs. If not, then the democrats must KNOW that they impeached an innocent man, or at least a man that didn’t have enough evidence against him for a real guilty verdict. Sorry, but there are consequences to shoddy work.
100% correct.
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:21 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest View Post
Claiming for himself & all staff members (former & present), refusing to provide any & all testamentary doecuments & evidence & with the intent to block any & all inquiry, investigation & impeachment proceedings is not 'executive privilege', it is as Mr. Dershowitz asserts here:

ALAN DERSHOWITZ TELLS FOX NEWS DONALD TRUMP IS 'FAR MORE POWERFUL THAN' A KING

https://www.newsweek.com/alan-dersho...x-news-1474130

Are American people really ok with this?

It would seem we sought our independence from the absolute rule of kings.

I guess the one true statement Mr. Trump said before elected, & the one his lawyers are regurgitating:



Trump couldn't be prosecuted if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, lawyer claims

Attorney argues president is immune from ‘local pressures’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-avenue-murder
SCOTUS has indeed ruled that POTUS can invoke executive privilege. That's why the House Dems impeaching him should have asked SCOTUS for a ruling, as was done in the never completed Nixon impeachment (not completed, as Nixon resigned). The House Dems SPECIFICALLY CHOSE to not do so. Unforced error, on their part. Or, perhaps they already knew they had an extremely weak case.
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:24 AM
 
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100% correct.
Not so in Andrew Johnson's.

Not so in Richard Nixon's.

Not so in William Clinton's.

But now with Donald Trump it's ok?
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:25 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Not so in Andrew Johnson's.

Not so in Richard Nixon's.

Not so in William Clinton's.

But now with Donald Trump it's ok?
Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler should have asked SCOTUS to rule on it. They specifically chose to not do so. Your complaint is with them.
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Pelosi was right all along.

The longer she holds the Articles the more comes out.

I would expect her to pull back the Articles and reopen the Intel. hearing's as more information comes out.

They do not need to but why not.

Trump has been Impeached and should be removed.

McConnell, himself a crook, needs to be removed.
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Old 01-10-2020, 08:18 AM
 
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Trump's not claiming "absolute immunity." It's called executive privilege, as established by SCOTUS.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1TD2LE

That was Pelosi's, Schiff's, and Nadler's call in the House. They were unwilling. Go figure. /shrug
That is not true. He has claimed absolute immunity in the case affirmed by the Second Circuit. He has also claimed total immunity from any investigation he unilaterally declares "illegitimate" per Pat Cippollone's letter, which is the functional equivalent to absolute immunity. He has not actually claimed executive privilege with respect to the Congressional impeachment inquiry. This has been pointed out to you numerous times.
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Old 01-10-2020, 08:26 AM
 
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Pelosi was right all along.

The longer she holds the Articles the more comes out.

I would expect her to pull back the Articles and reopen the Intel. hearing's as more information comes out.

They do not need to but why not.

Trump has been Impeached and should be removed.

McConnell, himself a crook, needs to be removed.
She can do whatever she wants to do but Monday is the deadline to turn in the impeachment articles or they'll be dismissed permanently.
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Old 01-10-2020, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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https://twitter.com/politicususa/sta...73678411784192


... and then he says Bolton's testimony would help Trump. I'm not sure about that. He's a wild card, could go either way.
A lot of repubs want to eviscerate the House, by calling witnesses to utterly destroy the articles of impeachment, not to just vote to acquit Trump. They want to subpoena Schiff, the whistleblower, and the Bidens.

The thing is, that the TDS afflicted democrats have convinced themselves of their presumptions - that Trump's motivations were only to try and dig up opposition research on Biden, when he asked to have Zelensky work with Barr to "look into" the firing of Shokin. Of course that begs the question - what oppo research do the dems think would have been uncovered anyway? I mean, besides possibly uncovering criminal acts by the Bidens?

The dems are smug in their presumptions, and will never change even after a parade of witnesses all saying they never heard Trump ask for a quid pro quo, to dig up dirt on Biden or Ukraine wouldn't get the aid money.
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