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The problem with your statement is that the recent defending of Iran has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone thinking they have a nice culture.
You act like assassinating one of their generals is somehow going to improve their culture. How would that work, exactly?
Would bombing them improve their culture? Because...based on the way you phrased things, it sounds like you think assassinating their generals and/or bombing them/going to war with them will make things better for homosexuals in Iran...as opposed to blowing some of them up...along with a bunch of other people.
Now...we could probably overthrow their government and take everything over and spend the next several decades rebuilding it if you wanted. That way we could implant laws that make things better for homosexuals.
Are you in favor of that kind of thing? Because unless we're over there for a few decades, dumping lots of cash into their economy...nothing else we do is going to help homosexuals over there besides allowing more of them to immigrate here.
why don't you ask Pelosi why Obama got a free pass???
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The problem with your statement is that the recent defending of Iran has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone thinking they have a nice culture.
You act like assassinating one of their generals is somehow going to improve their culture. How would that work, exactly?
Would bombing them improve their culture? Because...based on the way you phrased things, it sounds like you think assassinating their generals and/or bombing them/going to war with them will make things better for homosexuals in Iran...as opposed to blowing some of them up...along with a bunch of other people.
My position on this is not one of a warmonger as many pathetic weak knees leftists will claim. Mine is a position of strength that will lead to peace. You can only have peace when the bad guys know they cannot get away with messing with you. If you look so afraid of war that you will do anything to avoid it then you will soon find the wolves outside your door. Weakness invites aggression. Just ask Neville Chamberlain, appeasement of a bully failed on a grand scale for him did it not? WW2 cost tens of millions of lives......or we could say timidity in the face of aggression emboldened a evil dictatorship to cause the death of tens of millions of lives.
You have to think about what happens after the battle is won, and you declare victory. How do the people of the defeated country view the victors.
You can't "fix" a nation through military power if that nation resents you, because they'll resent you even more after the smoke clears.
We tried fixing Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, Nicaragua, etc and we always assume that the people of those countries would suddenly see us as liberators. Heck, the never ending argument in US is that Muslims hate us, and always will, so how do you figure the Iranians would start loving us if we destroy their country first?
As for Chamberlain, yes he failed, but Germany was going to do what they did no matter what he had said. When he signed the Munich agreement, Germany was already at full military strength. It was signed late -38, and Hitler went on military offensive in -39.
Most liberals think that much of Islamic culture is backward and needs to be condemned. Rights if women, gays, other religions, due process of law, democracy, freedom of speech, not executing people for blasphemy and alostacy, weaning ourselves as much as possible from fossil fuels,etc are all core liberal beliefs.
except no liberal will publicly do so.
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There are not many liberal Moslems, and not many Moslem liberals. Although they do exist.
Do we condemn the whole religion? No.
Look at some of the horrible deeds committed by characters in the Old Testament that are presented as protagonists. Are they not as bad as what one finds in the Koran or other religious texts?
Again...are Christians and/or jews stoning to death gay or adulterers?
Pretty despicable, but not surprising, sadly, since Iran is a dictator-led and sharia-law based country.
I feel social media has in part led a lot of folks astray, and many people ignorantly think the world is exactly like the United States in terms of rights and freedoms. Well, it's not, and Iran is not a free country.
The people in Iran are under a heavy-handed, terrible dictatorship where "death to America" is ingrained and brainwashed into kids as young as 6 or 7.
So, the Iran sympathy is misguided and misinformed by most. The sympathy and prayer should be for the millions of people who live under a terrible dictatorship sharia law rule, and who have minimal freedoms, living in constant fear daily. Not to the "loss" of their general. Ridiculous.
Trump did the right, moral thing to eliminate the world of that terrorist. Iranians who are not paid or brainwashed propagandists are pro-America and thankful Trump did what he did for them.
Most liberals think that much of Islamic culture is backward and needs to be condemned. Rights if women, gays, other religions, due process of law, democracy, freedom of speech, not executing people for blasphemy and alostacy, weaning ourselves as much as possible from fossil fuels,etc are all core liberal beliefs. There are not many liberal Moslems, and not many Moslem liberals. Although they do exist. Do we condemn the whole religion? No. Look at some of the horrible deeds committed by characters in the Old Testament that are presented as protagonists. Are they not as bad as what one finds in the Koran or other religious texts?
They were quite harsh over TWO THOUSAND years ago. ''Do we condemn the whole religion?''
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That would be quite the site seeing as how many members of the LGBTQIA continue face a lot of discrimination, even in the U.S.
But not quite as bad as hanging or being be-headed though, right ???
The US government broadly supports several Islamic countries that regularly suppress homosexuals (and other groups). Let's not pretend that Iran is anything special on this front.
why don't you ask Pelosi why Obama got a free pass???
Nothing I typed had anything to do with Obama.
My concern is that you sound to me like punishment should be done for reasons besides negative feedback, or changing behavior, or alleviating threats. You sound, to me, like you believe some people deserve punishment just because they're "bad people" (whatever that means). I think that's a dangerous mentality, or at least unhealthy mentality, especially when we might be going to war soon (although it's looking considerably less like that'll happen anytime soon. Neither side seems like they want to escalate things and Trump may lose some powers related to declaring war too).
The problem with your statement is that the recent defending of Iran has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone thinking they have a nice culture.
You act like assassinating one of their generals is somehow going to improve their culture. How would that work, exactly?
Would bombing them improve their culture? Because...based on the way you phrased things, it sounds like you think assassinating their generals and/or bombing them/going to war with them will make things better for homosexuals in Iran...as opposed to blowing some of them up...along with a bunch of other people.
Now...we could probably overthrow their government and take everything over and spend the next several decades rebuilding it if you wanted. That way we could implant laws that make things better for homosexuals.
Are you in favor of that kind of thing? Because unless we're over there for a few decades, dumping lots of cash into their economy...nothing else we do is going to help homosexuals over there besides allowing more of them to immigrate here.
What if you do it fall for FREEEEEEEEE!
Medicare for all
Green New Deal
College for all
Then just lump in the rebuilding of Iran, and we can do it all for FREEEEEEEEEEE
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