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Old 01-12-2020, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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The Impeachment is an obvious loser for the Democrats. They are laughable, and more people realize it is purely an election tool to smear Trump. The Democrats have stooped to a new low that even I didn't expect. I hope they keep it up as even the Moderates and Independents see it for the scam it is and are turning against them.
What you say is 100% spot-on. The Dems have been on a continuous smear campaign since Trump announced his candidacy, and Mods and Indy's are turned off by it. It gives off negativity, and does nothing to create enthusiasm.

The Dems have done very little to try to work with Trump and Republicans on fixing America's problems, and their constituancy knows it. They are a polarizing force, and will take most of the blame for a dysfunctional federal government. They have no accomplishments to point to.

The Dem party has no singular identity. They are divided. They also have a credibility problem after the Obamacare lies. Those lies are still fresh in everyone's minds, and wallets.

Their only unifying message is HATE TRUMP. I don't think this will be enough of a motivator for them to gain adequate traction in the 2020 elections. Sure, there's the Lib lunatic fringe, but most voters want to be uplifted, and to feel good about their candidates, and political party. They are not getting that from the Democrat party, so their turnout will be insufficient.
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Old 01-12-2020, 09:12 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Wishful thinking. The Bidens very well may be called to give testimony, and will very likely plead the 5th, which will end Joe's candidacy. They will both be publicly disgraced, and Trump will be vindicated. End of trial.
Called to give testimony on what?

Joe Biden could be the most corrupt politician in history and it doesn't impact the accusations against Trump one bit.
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Old 01-12-2020, 09:34 AM
 
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Trump has such low credibility. Who would believe a word Trump says? The clown is a PROVEN chronic LIAR.
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Old 01-12-2020, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Called to give testimony on what?

Joe Biden could be the most corrupt politician in history and it doesn't impact the accusations against Trump one bit.
They are TOTALLY interconnected. Joe Biden was strong arming and bribing Ukranian politicians and Burisma
execs, and Trump wanted that investigated by the Ukranian authorities. If Joe's deeds are proven, or if he pleads the 5th, then Trumps actions were totally warranted, and Joe's dirty....which of course he is.

Do you want Vice Presidents, and Presidential candidates, abusing their power for their own personal gain, and for the gain of their kids? Do you want our political leaders bullying less powerful allies? Sounds to me like you are okay with that, but most Americans are NOT.

The USA gives money to foreign Country's every day of ever week, of every month of every year. Guess what? We ALWAYS expect something in return...EVERY SINGLE TIME. Every President expects a return on the investment, and its been that way since the 1st Dollar of foreign aid was given out. If the USA got nothing in return, how stupid would that be to keep giving our money to other Country's?

If Joe Biden didnt abuse his power, Trump would have never had a coversation about it in the first place. Joe was bragging in tape about his abuse of power, and Hunter already admitted that his Dad got him the Board seat at Burisma and that he has no knowlege of the Uranian Gas business. The Bidens are corrupt, and Trump caught them with their filthy hands in the Cookie jar. BUSTED!
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Old 01-12-2020, 12:44 PM
 
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Collins won't see any witness as long as McConnell and many others in the GOP continue to aid and abet in the coverup by not having people personally involved testify.
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Old 01-12-2020, 02:22 PM
 
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Susan Collins think she has enough Senators to get witnesses in the upcoming impeachment trial

Susan Collins working with ‘small group’ of GOP senators to allow impeachment witnesses
Don't believe the hype! Susan Collins is all talk, when it comes to time to act, she's always a no-show!
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Old 01-12-2020, 02:45 PM
 
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Wishful thinking. The Bidens very well may be called to give testimony, and will very likely plead the 5th, which will end Joe's candidacy. They will both be publicly disgraced, and Trump will be vindicated. End of trial.
The Bidens really don’t matter for the impeachment hearings.

The subject isn’t the Bidens, it’s trump. Don’t even have to be a lawyer and you should get that.
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Old 01-12-2020, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Don't believe the hype! Susan Collins is all talk, when it comes to time to act, she's always a no-show!
Sometimes. I think Kavanaugh was one of those cases. Health insurance wasn't. We'll see what happens with impeachment and the War Powers resolution.

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The Bidens really don’t matter for the impeachment hearings.

The subject isn’t the Bidens, it’s trump. Don’t even have to be a lawyer and you should get that.
You would think. I think the defense might put forth the conspiracy theory to muddy it and try to make it so they need to call Biden to the stand to defeat Biden. That said, I don't want Biden, I think there are far better Democrats and the Democrats need to stop listening to the Corpocrats.
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:07 PM
 
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They are TOTALLY interconnected. Joe Biden was strong arming and bribing Ukranian politicians and Burisma
execs, and Trump wanted that investigated by the Ukranian authorities. If Joe's deeds are proven, or if he pleads the 5th, then Trumps actions were totally warranted, and Joe's dirty....which of course he is.

Do you want Vice Presidents, and Presidential candidates, abusing their power for their own personal gain, and for the gain of their kids? Do you want our political leaders bullying less powerful allies? Sounds to me like you are okay with that, but most Americans are NOT.

The USA gives money to foreign Country's every day of ever week, of every month of every year. Guess what? We ALWAYS expect something in return...EVERY SINGLE TIME. Every President expects a return on the investment, and its been that way since the 1st Dollar of foreign aid was given out. If the USA got nothing in return, how stupid would that be to keep giving our money to other Country's?

If Joe Biden didnt abuse his power, Trump would have never had a coversation about it in the first place. Joe was bragging in tape about his abuse of power, and Hunter already admitted that his Dad got him the Board seat at Burisma and that he has no knowlege of the Uranian Gas business. The Bidens are corrupt, and Trump caught them with their filthy hands in the Cookie jar. BUSTED!

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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The Bidens really don’t matter for the impeachment hearings.

The subject isn’t the Bidens, it’s trump. Don’t even have to be a lawyer and you should get that.
You keep trying to protect the Bidens, and its not working.
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