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Old 01-11-2020, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Liberals are getting their wish. They want to price manufacturing labor out of the country, regulate goods-producing industries and have no issues with other countries tariff's but they laugh when President Trump wants a level-playing field.

Coastal liberal elites especially laugh and mock those who work hard at "blue-collar jobs".

Only 844,000 working in Residential building construction and 50,000 people working in logging when the population is expected to grow by 20+ million people by 2030. While 47.9 million people in education, health care, government.

47 million jobs in education, health care, government. Basically, backed by 4.4 trillion dollars in federal goverrnment spending plus a massive amount of state and local spending. The price for health-care because of the food Americans eat and the majorities hatred of excercise is $28,000 per family and expected to skyrocket in the next decade. Then there is "education" which a majority consists of just listening in a lecture hall listening to person talk and take tests on the subjects which has racked up another $1.6 trillion in debt.

All this while, Mining plummets which means a scarcity of copper, gold, silver and iron ore with rising costs.

There is only 844,000 people working in Residential building construction in a country that is expected to grow by much more than 20 million people over the next decade.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t17.htm

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...4-in-2018.html

https://www.nwherald.com/2019/12/17/...-hand/aoyk6y8/

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SLOAS
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Old 01-11-2020, 10:49 AM
 
Location: USA
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Most of the productive sector of the economy has been automated or sent overseas (where there are no labor or environmental protections). It’s the free market at work. Usually it’s the Republicans who advocate for free market policies, not “the liberals.” Unless you mean the “classical liberals” who advocated for free markets.
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Old 01-11-2020, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Liberals?
Good to see that Trump has gotten the Federal government out of our lives by lowering spending and giving more power to the states. Oh wait.....

Big government dominates both sides of the aisle.
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Old 01-11-2020, 08:58 PM
 
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An advanced and rich first world country is bound to have more service oriented business. Especially education and healthcare. Dirty industry can be outsourced, with the advantages of cheaper prices, reduced local pollution and resource consumption. The big resultant problem is of course loss of all those conservatives' jobs.
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Old 01-11-2020, 09:02 PM
 
Location: southern california
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What exactly is the value of so many government workers?
They mostly vote democrat
And when they die they don’t stop
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Old 01-11-2020, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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For most Americans, this is fine and they won't even notice... Except if it ever came time to fight a real war, and not voluntary military police engagements in 3rd world crapholes. Entire industries are woefully dependent on the labor and resources provided by other nations to get their work done. Supply chains now stretch the globe. It wouldn't work like that during a war, and we would once again be entirely dependent on the strength, resources and potential of our own nation and people.

I think this is one of the best arguments for why the potential of our labor market and our domestic production might needs to be taken more seriously than it has been over the past 30 years. It's also a good example of why Trump is easily the greatest president since Reagan. He understands what makes a nation great, and that includes it's action potential, not just printing trillions of dollars and calling yourself the greatest.
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Old 01-11-2020, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Only 844,000 working in Residential building construction and 50,000 people working in logging when the population is expected to grow by 20+ million people by 2030. While 47.9 million people in education, health care, government....
If you want more people working in residential building construction you would need faster population growth, because right now US population growth is the slowest in a century.

And I can think of a great way to have more population growth: More immigrants!

As for logging ...

1. Did it never occur to you that paper consumption is going way down?
2. With fewer houses being built, there's also no need for that many loggers.

You're basically a socialist who wants a planned economy with industries that employ people just for the sake of employing people. And you would choose the industries based solely on your personal aesthetic desires.
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Old 01-12-2020, 07:37 AM
 
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For most Americans, this is fine and they won't even notice... Except if it ever came time to fight a real war, and not voluntary military police engagements in 3rd world crapholes. Entire industries are woefully dependent on the labor and resources provided by other nations to get their work done. Supply chains now stretch the globe. It wouldn't work like that during a war, and we would once again be entirely dependent on the strength, resources and potential of our own nation and people.

I think this is one of the best arguments for why the potential of our labor market and our domestic production might needs to be taken more seriously than it has been over the past 30 years. It's also a good example of why Trump is easily the greatest president since Reagan. He understands what makes a nation great, and that includes it's action potential, not just printing trillions of dollars and calling yourself the greatest.
Good points. At least Trump knows debt. We can do it alone. China cannot. But I wonder if we will keep up with China....
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Old 01-12-2020, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Most of the productive sector of the economy has been automated or sent overseas (where there are no labor or environmental protections). It’s the free market at work. Usually it’s the Republicans who advocate for free market policies, not “the liberals.” Unless you mean the “classical liberals” who advocated for free markets.
it is not the free market


free trade is not free market...its the globalist liberal government pushing socialism/globalism which makes the markets NOT free and un even


when the liberals of the 80's and 90's and even the 00's eliminated the import tariffs they made the "market" uneven


an import tariff is a good thing

how about this question


why is Apple (an American company) manufacturing all its products in china, and not the Silicon Valley???? why should apple be allowed to import its foreign made products into the USA for free??? why is Apple screwing Americans, selling phones at $700+ a pop, while they are making them for 80 cents by paying slave wages to Chinese and not American wages to Americans??






I, and most educated Americans, want the iPhone/ipad made in America,... Apple is an American company, it should be making its product here, using an American workforce, made by Americans, for Americans @ American wages


that is the point of these tariffs, to reverse the outsourcing from the globalist liberal policies of "freetrade"


the key to these tariffs, not the country of origin, but that American companies have outsourced our labor force


why should GE (an American company HQ'd in Boston) make all its alarm clocks etc in Mexico and Malaysia???
think about it
median USA hourly wage is 23-25/hr
median Mexico wage 160/week

and you wonder why GE makes all its alarm clocks in Mexico.... and PAYS ZERO to import them to the USA... do you think that is really fair??




why should GM (an American company HQ'd in Detroit, MI) make all its vehicles in Mexico???
think about it
GM assembly plant average hourly wage USA hourly wage is 45/hr
median Mexico wage 160/week

and you wonder why GM moved its assembly plants to Mexico.... and PAYS ZERO to import them to the USA... do you think that is really fair??




why should Apple (an American company HQ'd in Cupertino, California, ) make all its iphines, ipads, etc in china
think about it
median USA hourly wage is 23-25/hr
median china wage 228/week

and you wonder why Apple makes all its electronics in China and not the Silicon Valley.... and PAYS ZERO to import them to the USA... do you think that is really fair??






who pushed the "free trade" agreements...the globalist liberal democrats and the neo-cons (liberals)




why..because socialism wants globalism..it wants to eliminate borders, eliminate the individual countries to a one world order




globalism is part of socialism
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Quote:
Lenin in 1916 proclaimed:

"The aim of socialism is not only to abolish the present division of mankind into smaller states and all-national isolation, not only to bring the nations closer to each other, but also to merge them."

Zbigniew Brzezinski liberal (socialist) mentor to Carter, Bush1, clinton, cheney, and Obama
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"We cannot leap into the one world government through one quick step.... The precondition for eventual and genuine globalization is progressive regionalization because by that we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units."
Liberals wanting a North American Union...like the European Union

"...in Brzezinski's BETWEEN TWO AGES (1970), he praised Marxism, and he claimed that "the nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty."


Quote:
"This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations/governments" ZB
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Old 01-12-2020, 08:01 AM
 
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Liberals are getting their wish. They want to price manufacturing labor out of the country, regulate goods-producing industries and have no issues with other countries tariff's but they laugh when President Trump wants a level-playing field.

Coastal liberal elites especially laugh and mock those who work hard at "blue-collar jobs".

Only 844,000 working in Residential building construction and 50,000 people working in logging when the population is expected to grow by 20+ million people by 2030. While 47.9 million people in education, health care, government.

47 million jobs in education, health care, government. Basically, backed by 4.4 trillion dollars in federal goverrnment spending plus a massive amount of state and local spending. The price for health-care because of the food Americans eat and the majorities hatred of excercise is $28,000 per family and expected to skyrocket in the next decade. Then there is "education" which a majority consists of just listening in a lecture hall listening to person talk and take tests on the subjects which has racked up another $1.6 trillion in debt.

All this while, Mining plummets which means a scarcity of copper, gold, silver and iron ore with rising costs.

There is only 844,000 people working in Residential building construction in a country that is expected to grow by much more than 20 million people over the next decade.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t17.htm

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...4-in-2018.html

https://www.nwherald.com/2019/12/17/...-hand/aoyk6y8/

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SLOAS
This is actually a good point and post...once you take out the partisan BS.

You also create a society of individuals and individualism where everybody then needs to "have their own", thus increasing consumption. Collectives that share homes and durable goods, like families, does not maximize capitalistic potential as does individualism, being "single", etc. Furthermore, create sprawl and keep population shifting from one place to another to fuel home building and construction.

This is not a healthy economy and it has not been for a long time and it's not the fault of either political party. Things go up and things come down. The US had it's heyday and that probably peaked in the early 70's. Now we are just trying to hang on to that standard of living and the only way to do that is via debt and "make work". How can you bring manufacturing back at decent wages when there are places in the world that can make the same thing using 3 dollar an hour labor? It's called "comparative advantage" in economics. We do not have that in manufacturing....not with human labor cost.

The US is descending and would be a lot lower if not for government and consumer record debt levels.
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