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Old 01-14-2020, 09:18 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Originally Posted by crone View Post
A federal politician has to have live in the place they were elected to serve.

Do you want him to live in his office while in DC? He could live in a 'church' owned place like the C Street house.

His wife inherited her parents vacation home and sold it to get another one that suited the needs of her family.
There are some, who aren't as wealthy as Bernie, who do live in their office while they are in DC. Bernie owns a condo in DC.

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You wanna talk 2 face? How about politicians on the government dole healthcare wise telling us they want to keep pre existing conditions in our healthcare insurance while simultaneously suing to get rid of it?
Last I'd heard, there are plans that do carry preexisting conditions, and, there are plans that are cheaper because they do not carry preexisting conditions. Not everyone in this country has a preexisting condition so why should they pay for it?


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Of note - notice how Bernie's old rhetoric was "millionaires and billionaires are bad"...until he became a multimillionaire, and now it's been adjusted to "billionaires are bad." He's been grilled on this point, fairly, as well.

He's a proper socialist. He wants everyone besides him to suffer in pursuit of his worldview goals. Makes him ideally suited to run a government.




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Bernie Sanders’ net worth was estimated at $700,000 in 2016, and upwards of $2 million more recently. MONEY also estimated that the total worth of his retirement savings and pensions are more than $1 million.
However, according to Roll Call, Bernie Sanders has a net worth of $0, based on his official disclosure forms that factor in assets worth $300,000 combined with a roughly equal amount of liabilities.
Sanders and his wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, own three homes, including a one-bedroom rowhouse in Washington, D.C., and a waterfront property on Lake Champlain they purchased for $575,000 in 2016.
https://money.com/bernie-sanders-2020-net-worth/


Bernie has not even offered to donate his presidential salary if he should win
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Old 01-14-2020, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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This.

Few people ever vote to cut their own throats.
I do not understand anyone getting worked up about Bernie’s position on how to pay for a Single Payer Healthcare System. Congress is not going to play ball, no matter party in the majority.

No POUS has the unilateral authority to change the Tax Code.
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Old 01-14-2020, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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There are some, who aren't as wealthy as Bernie, who do live in their office while they are in DC. Bernie owns a condo in DC.

Last I'd heard, there are plans that do carry preexisting conditions, and, there are plans that are cheaper because they do not carry preexisting conditions. Not everyone in this country has a preexisting condition so why should they pay for it?







https://money.com/bernie-sanders-2020-net-worth/


Bernie has not even offered to donate his presidential salary if he should win
No diff than all the POTUS’ before Trump.

Bernie’s New Worth is about $2.5 million. Trump says he is worth $10 billion.

Trump Org is the financial beneficiary of Trump’s weekend and vacation trips to his properties. Like all POTUS, he travels with Secret Service and a massive entourage on multiple flights. By law, the cost of that travel,transport, lodging, meals etc is billed to the Federal Government at prevailing rates. This incremental Trump Org income is multiples of Trump’s annual salary.

It was announced last week, the Treasury was not going to respond to FOI requests for the costs of Trump’s personal trips until after the 2020 election.

All healthcare insurance must cover preexisting conditions to be compliant with Federal Law. There are non- insurance healthcare schemes that exclude preexisting conditions.

Trump has made clear his position on preexisting conditions- they must be covered.
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Old 01-14-2020, 10:55 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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The super wealthy, regardless of political ideology, in the US accumulated that wealth while paying higher tax rates on income.

I trend Flat Tax. Everyone pays the same % on gross income. Everyone has skin in the game. Ted Cruz ran on a Flat Tax platform. He lost the nomination.

The Republican majority Congress could have, in 2018, chosen to go in a Flat Tax direction. Instead, it chose to remain a Progressive Tax System where high income earners pay higher tax rates.

In a progressive tax system, higher rates apply only to that portion of income that exceeds the determined threshold.
What are you telling me that is not common knowledge, and how does it relate to my post that you quoted?
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Old 01-14-2020, 11:41 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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When you take a piece of what someone says, without including the entire thing they said, there is a name for that.

Yes. There are legal rights and there are moral rights. Clearly, we all know that they have a legal right.
Only legal rights are objective, so I'm not interested in discussing anything else because you can't refute opinion.
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Old 01-14-2020, 11:45 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Congress is not going to vote in favor of a wealth tax, no matter who has the majority.

Wealth tax is DOA.
Of course it is. That wasn't really the discussion being had, though.

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Old 01-14-2020, 11:59 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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No diff than all the POTUS’ before Trump.
I see nothing wrong with future presidents, and wealthy congress critters for that matter, to continue with that trend, or at least donate half of their tax funded earnings.
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Bernie’s New Worth is about $2.5 million. Trump says he is worth $10 billion.
Which makes both of them wealthier than about half the country.


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Trump Org is the financial beneficiary of Trump’s weekend and vacation trips to his properties. Like all POTUS, he travels with Secret Service and a massive entourage on multiple flights. By law, the cost of that travel,transport, lodging, meals etc is billed to the Federal Government at prevailing rates. This incremental Trump Org income is multiples of Trump’s annual salary.

It was announced last week, the Treasury was not going to respond to FOI requests for the costs of Trump’s personal trips until after the 2020 election.
Would you prefer that he stayed at places like where Obama had stayed while he was president ..
the Hilton, Caesars Palace, the Ritz-Carlton, the Waldorf-Astoria, to name a few? (Or instead, maybe Motel 6? )
Nothing wrong with Trump, or any other president, staying in his own properties.


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All healthcare insurance must cover preexisting conditions to be compliant with Federal Law. There are non- insurance healthcare schemes that exclude preexisting conditions.

Trump has made clear his position on preexisting conditions- they must be covered.
Are you saying short-term insurance plans are violating federal law by not covering preexisting conditions?
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Old 01-14-2020, 12:08 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Only legal rights are objective, so I'm not interested in discussing anything else because you can't refute opinion.
Huh? That makes absolutely no sense. If a discussion is what you are really “interested in”, opinion is the only way to go.

If you want to discuss fact, as in a law, how much is there to discuss?

You say, “Taxation is legal.”

I respond, “Yes it is.”

That is the end of the discussion. We have taken that discussion it as far as it can go.



.....But.....

You say, “Taxation is moral.”

Now we can have a discussion that can last for days.
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Old 01-14-2020, 12:19 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Huh? That makes absolutely no sense. If a discussion is what you are really “interested in”, opinion is the only way to go.

If you want to discuss fact, as in a law, how much is there to discuss?

You say, “Taxation is legal.”

I respond, “Yes it is.”

That is the end of the discussion. We have taken that discussion it as far as it can go.



.....But.....

You say, “Taxation is moral.”

Now we can have a discussion that can last for days.
It makes perfect sense. I never wanted to have a discussion on the "correctness" of taxation. It exists and is never going away. Period.

Discussing whether it should or not is pointless.

The discussion at hand was about Bernie's "wealth tax" and whether he is hypocritical or not because he doesn't donate more of his money to the Fed Gov.
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Old 01-14-2020, 01:26 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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It makes perfect sense. I never wanted to have a discussion on the "correctness" of taxation. It exists and is never going away. Period.

Discussing whether it should or not is pointless.

The discussion at hand was about Bernie's "wealth tax" and whether he is hypocritical or not because he doesn't donate more of his money to the Fed Gov.
Or even, directly to the poor. And yes, he is. That was my original point.

But isn’t that, discussing an opinion? Isn’t it another “pointless” discussion?
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