Why doesn't Bernie donate a large chunk of his money so he can be taken seriously (Sanders, millionaires)
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...Sincere or not, wealthy or poor, it is still nobodies business to tell me what I should do with my money, and it is nobodies right to force me to give away my money.
Of course it is. As would be the position of any rational person.
Not my fault you misread my intent. I think I was pretty clear, in light of the tittle of the thread.
Well, most rational people realize the Fed Gov does have the "right" to force you to give away your money. They do it all of us, every year.
Not my fault you didn't express your thoughts clearly. As I pointed out by saying "rich people have no business telling me what to do", you are implying that poor people would.
Well, most rational people realize the Fed Gov does have the "right" to force you to give away your money. They do it all of us, every year.
Not my fault you didn't express your thoughts clearly. As I pointed out by saying "rich people have no business telling me what to do", you are implying that poor people would.
When you take a piece of what someone says, without including the entire thing they said, there is a name for that.
Yes. There are legal rights and there are moral rights. Clearly, we all know that they have a legal right.
Well, most rational people realize the Fed Gov does have the "right" to force you to give away your money.
First, it is neither rational nor logical to think someone else has a higher claim on your life, liberty and property than you because some number of them, before you were even born, just decided that they did. Next, they aren't forcing you to "give" anything, they are taking by force, period. When you describe the process of armed theft under threat of violence, do it accurately, tyvm.
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They do it all of us, every year.
Every day actually, you just do the accounting (basically proving your innocence and compliance) once a year. But that is the closest you came to being correct in the quoted post, so congrats on that.
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Originally Posted by hooligan
Not my fault you didn't express your thoughts clearly. As I pointed out by saying "rich people have no business telling me what to do", you are implying that poor people would.
You again make an assumption about what is implied. Don't do that. Argue what was typed/said, not what you subjectively believe what was meant.
On topic - it was a perfectly legitimate question, even if an ad hominem appeal to ridicule, to ask Sen GetOffMyLawn. Politics is the land of fallacy rhetoric and political illusion, and turning a fallacy on him, with the really good followup of his deflection, was gold. If you are the one advocating this wealth tax, and you yourself are a millionaire, and you think all millionaires should give up a giant chunk of their wealth...why aren't you simply volunteering to do that which you believe people JUST LIKE YOU should be doing? It may fail a debate formal proof requirement, but it is good for helping folks whether to take the dude seriously or not.
trump should set the example. Hes the leader of our country. Im sure more people would be willing to donate if then.
Trump isn't proposing a wealth tax or 52% tax rate. Bernie is. If he believed in it-he'd lead by example. But lets be honest-Bernie believes in Bernie. He's an old fraud and con-man, looking out only for himself. He uses the so-called "useful idiots" to enrich himself. The little fools will walk up to the gallows and puts the noose around their own necks if he asks them to. Bernie's cult is dangerous-but mostly to themselves.
Of note - notice how Bernie's old rhetoric was "millionaires and billionaires are bad"...until he became a multimillionaire, and now it's been adjusted to "billionaires are bad." He's been grilled on this point, fairly, as well.
He's a proper socialist. He wants everyone besides him to suffer in pursuit of his worldview goals. Makes him ideally suited to run a government.
Of note - notice how Bernie's old rhetoric was "millionaires and billionaires are bad"...until he became a multimillionaire, and now it's been adjusted to "billionaires are bad." He's been grilled on this point, fairly, as well.
He's a proper socialist. He wants everyone besides him to suffer in pursuit of his worldview goals. Makes him ideally suited to run a government.
Isn’t that how socialism has always worked?
Promise the little people you will take from the rich and give free stuff to them. Which gets them to vote for you. Then somehow, the people high up in government end up rich, and everybody else in the country is poor.
Unfortunately, people forget. This generation never knew the world with the USSR in it, which is why they seem to be so accepting of socialism.
because Bernie is a hypocrite who has a secure pension, high paying job and 3 houses. he wants everyone else to pay except himself because the leaders of socialistic countries always make out better than anyone else.
^ makes no sense.
If the Bernie income tax plan were approved by Congress, he would pay 3% more in taxes on that portion of his AGI in excess of $250,000.
If the Bernie wealth tax plan were approved by Congress, his $2.5 million net worth is substantially below the $32 million net worth threshold.
All candidates, then each party nominee, create a perception that they alone make law, as if they are running for dictator. Both Republicans and Democrats do this. Reality is, it takes an Act of Congress. In the unlikely event, Bernie got the nomination and then won, his agenda is DOA, no matter which party holds the majority, in the House and Senate.
All POTUS over promise on the campaign trail and under deliver. Sometimes Congress won’t play ball. Sometimes they don’t even try.
Trump campaigned on the promise to “ replace Obamacare with something wonderful that would take care of everybody and the government was going to pay for it”. Not much daylight between that campaign promise and what Bernie and Warren are campaigning on, except Bernie and Warren have plans for how it could be funded.
Trump had/ had nothing, zip, nada.
As it relates to higher taxes, both Buffet and Gates have in the past, expressed their willingness to pay higher income/ cap gains taxes, if/ when codified. More recently, Gates made clear he was not fond of the concept of a wealth tax.
I am not a Bernie supporter.
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