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View Poll Results: Will you (GOP - Right) want get Big Money out of Politics if it makes you lose?
I lean Right and, no matter what, I support unlimited money in politics as now. 1 7.14%
I lean Right and the money has helped, but if it works heavily against us, I want it out of Politics. 1 7.14%
I lean Left and since the Game Rules are set, the game must be played that way (Big money) 3 21.43%
I lean Left and support getting big money out of Politics even if it hurts the Left or Center. 9 64.29%
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Old 01-14-2020, 10:13 AM
 
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This question is really more for those on the right - who have prayed to the ultimate dollar (billionaires, etc.) and worked for decades to make sure campaign finance was finally scuttled (SCOTUS CU).

Up until now, it can be said that the Right has wanted and used that (Kochs, Mercers, Mellon-Scaife, Adelson and many many more) to take control of political matters.

However, the question is - if things change and most billionaires are Centrists or more "New Age" as opposed to the ancient Oil and Gambling and Amway money, will the Right then take perhaps the last issues they believe in...and reverse course?

The Scenario, roughly speaking, is this. If Bloomberg - and, in the future, other forces such as Bezos and many in Silicon Valley and elsewhere, become willing to put 10's of billions of dollars into all the efforts that Republicans legalized (unlimited money, astroturf, non-disclosure of donors) to beat the pants off (or even beat a bunch) of Republicans, will the Right then turn around and try to take the big money out of politics and stop with the "corporations are people".

And so, I worded the question as best I can to keep it relatively simple.....4 choices

1. I lean right of center and support unlimited money (as it is now) like the Kochs, Adelson, etc. in Politics because it helped us win.....BUT, I would also support it if I worked against my politics. In other words, I'm not a hypocrite.

2. I lean right of center and have accepted all the money in politics because, frankly, it allowed us to win more stuff....but I'm likely to change my mind if it turns out the those left of center obtain a vast advantage with the same type of Big Money that we had used.

3. I lean left of center and support unlimited money in politics because the only way to play the game is to use the rules established into law by the SCOTUS. While I might wish things were different, they are not.

4. I lean left of center and would support strict campaign financing even in Republicans are pushing it. I support this despite the Right has already gained the benefit of decades of such money....no "catch up" by the left or center is needed and I'm willing to take the knocks for the benefit of the country.

The polls questions will be shorter, but this is what I am getting at. Is it just all good for the goose and good for the gander or do the rules (like holding up a SCOTUS nominee, spending vast sums on ads, etc.) apply only when for MY (or your) benefit.
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Old 01-14-2020, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Much like the electoral college, as long as it benefits their candidate, they are all for it. Once it doesn't, they will want it gone.
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Old 01-14-2020, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Fat chance.

The one thing that McConnell has always and consistently championed is opposition to spending limits in electoral campaigns. He's benefited immensely from that and so has his allies. Don't expect that at all to change in any case.
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Old 01-14-2020, 10:48 AM
 
Location: New York
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This poll is redonkulous
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Old 01-14-2020, 11:00 AM
 
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If Trump gets beat because of enormous amounts of money used against him, the GOP deserves it. Citizen's United, corporations are people, "billionaires are the smartest", they brought it on and deserve to be clobbered by it.

Same with the electoral college. If a huge state like Texas or Florida turns blue enough to render the GOP unable to win elections, I look forward to their claims that the electoral college disenfranchises GOP voters in blue states and the electoral college must end. They will ride the electoral college train as long as it works for them and only for them.
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Old 01-14-2020, 11:03 AM
 
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Meanwhile Obama was the first in history to have a billion dollar campaign. You guys are such hypocrites and history revisionists.
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Old 01-14-2020, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Boulder, CO
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Strawman question, not worth answering.
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Old 01-14-2020, 11:06 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Im politically all over the place.
Constitutional amendment to prohibit paid lobbying, allow term limits, prohibit work arounds like book deals and speech making. Low and enforced campaign spending limits and time limits for campaigning that does not directly involve the shoe leather express.
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Old 01-14-2020, 11:15 AM
 
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Labor Unions were one of the biggest donors in 2016 outside of individual billionaires and millionaires. Both sides are guilty, neither side will change a thing, they will just beat the drum harder for more money.
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Old 01-14-2020, 11:57 AM
 
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lmao. Leftists are mentally ill people. Threads like these prove it.
Painting with a broad stoke, aren’t you? You have to call all leftists crazy if you don’t want or have the capacity to argue the facts. Left or right doesn’t prove mental illness but right and wrong often does. Enjoy the bubble.
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