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Just call it a tax on the middle class. Liberals are all gung ho until they realize that all these social perks effect THEIR bottom line and they can't pass the buck on to somebody else.
Example. I live in Seattle and the property taxes are already going thru the roof. The average one bedroom apartment is hovering at around $1500 a month. People can barely afford to live here as it is. You get a point where there is no capacity to pay more taxes. Moderate Liberals are starting to figure this out and they are the ones that I almost feel sorry for because they essentially have no political platform that meets their needs. How and why do I know this? It's because 3/4 of my friends in Seattle fit this description. They are all aboard for helping others with social programs but they are discovering that the potential taxes etc will change their lives dramatically. Talk about a Catch 22. When social dreams travel from the heart to the pocketbook, it adds an entirely different perspective.
yeah its exactly why people in general move to the right after college....real life happens and you have to start paying for things
Are they next on the socialist agenda after medicine? Once the socialists get medicine, they have to fight for something else to be “free”, because God forbid we make people responsible for their own lives, right?
The government should nationalize all the homes in America so that everybody can have a roof over their heads. If you live in a home that has more bedrooms than people, the government can just put more people in the house with you. That is, if they dont make you move into a smaller house, and they can put a bigger family in yours.
Food should be free too. Why should people have to pay for food? It is necessary to live. You should be able to walk into any grocery store in the country, and take whatever food you want, and tell the grocery store to charge it to the US government.
How about government subsidized trips to the mall. YOU get a Moncler Jacket! And YOU get a Moncler Jacket! And YOU get a Moncler Jacket! Because nobody should be cold outside. Everybody deserves to be warm and clothed.
Why are health insurance premiums tax deductible but food isn't? Once again, other developed countries do this and I don't see any groundswell going on from those citizens to switch to for-profit health insurance.
Why do we give medical care for free to people who have no means but make the middle class pay through the nose and risk going bankrupt if something does happen?
He said people making $29k will be taxed at $1200 annually. The way income brackets work is:
$29k <= x < $30k
All x greater than or equal to 29,000, but less than 30,000. That is IRS speak for "people who make $29k."
Since IRS data for that pay range is within the bounds of the $25-30k bracket, I simply extrapolated 1/5 of the number of returns as a baseline average.
I use that number to show that with his proposed tax, the numbers don't come anywhere close to "paying for" that which he promises, and then I present numbers much more realistic that could come close to "paying for" national healthcare under a progressive taxation scheme, and how that realistic number compares to his nonsense of $1200 annually, for all people in the $29k <= x < $30k range.
You going to keep being obtuse on this, or do you understand how tax brackets work?
Under a progressive tax scheme and using every Bernie-friendly assumption with every last ounce of rose colored optimism possible, your more realistic cost, on say $175k annual household, would be in the range of $57,750 (33% tax) - $66,500 (38% tax). That is your share of cost to make sure everyone has equal access to their share of a $3.6 trillion pie, again, under progressive taxation rules and the most optimistic, best possible case scenario assumptions.
Now, subtract your premiums, copays and prescription costs from that tax total, and that would be your new annual cost for your marriage's healthcare costs. Bet the number is significantly higher than your current spending.
When has govt involvement ever lowered costs? And do you remember obama saying "if you like your health ins, you can keep it"? And that you'll save 2500. Year on obamacare? Those were lies. So is bernie's plan.
When has govt involvement ever lowered costs? And do you remember obama saying "if you like your health ins, you can keep it"? And that you'll save 2500. Year on obamacare? Those were lies. So is bernie's plan.
If you're saying that the proposal may be good but the execution will get screwed up somehow that's a fair point.
Only $1200 a year more in taxes and free healthcare ?!? I'm in. The wife and I make just under $200k combined and pay $8100 a year for our current health insurance.
I'm in ! Somehow I'm not really believing this is true, but it sounds good.
Why are health insurance premiums tax deductible but food isn't? Once again, other developed countries do this and I don't see any groundswell going on from those citizens to switch to for-profit health insurance.
Why do we give medical care for free to people who have no means but make the middle class pay through the nose and risk going bankrupt if something does happen?
The same reason we give food stamps to poor people but not the middle class.
The same reason we give section 8 housing to poor people, but not the middle class.
Just because we give charity to the poorest among us, is not a reason to go full-on socialist.
The same reason we give food stamps to poor people but not the middle class.
The same reason we give section 8 housing to poor people, but not the middle class.
Just because we give charity to the poorest among us, is not a reason to go full-on socialist.
Let me know the next time you require a $10 million machine at the grocery store.
My point exactly.
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