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Old 01-27-2020, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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We have seen Trumps attorney do what Schiff said they would.

They have not defended Trump's actions.

They have thrown a whole bunch of stuff up on the wall.

Toomey (R) Pa. is so scared that he will have to remove Trump he has put up some sort of deal for witnesses.

Trump is guilty as charged and should be removed.
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:46 PM
 
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Agree.



I disagree with this premise. I would need to see hard evidence that an egocentric billionaire who refused to put his assets in a blind trust would pass up an opportunity to leverage his power to accumulate more wealth.



A couple points:

First, I'm on record as saying I have no problem with investigations into the Bidens. I believe in meritocracy, so I despise it when people have cushy jobs and wealth handed to them simply because of who their parents are. So naturally I don't think very highly of Hunter Biden or any of the Trumps.

That said, I don't buy the narrative that Trump was only concerned about America's interests when he tried to leverage foreign aid for an announced investigation into the Bidens. You don't send your personal attorney and a couple of goons to negotiate if what you're doing is above-board, and everyone who has been willing to testify under oath has confirmed that Trump was singularly focused on Biden/Burisma, instead of fighting corruption in general. The only people who insist that Trump's motivation was pure have refused to testify under oath.

Second, you lose some credibility when you say it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together. If you were truly interested in drawing logical inferences from the evidence, you wouldn't be defending Trump's actions at every turn. Instead, you'd have to acknowledge that Trump has been deflecting, lying, and stonewalling to prevent the truth from coming out.

It's fair to take the position that both Trump and Biden should be investigated. But when you insist that Trump is innocent while arguing that "2+2 = only the Bidens are corrupt," you're not being logical.
Possibly but I have gone on record here before saying I don't care if Trump IS guilty. Why? Because for the first time in my 56 year old life, I feel like the President is working for MY interests and and not his.
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:47 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Partial Observer View Post
Agree.



I disagree with this premise. I would need to see hard evidence that an egocentric billionaire who refused to put his assets in a blind trust would pass up an opportunity to leverage his power to accumulate more wealth.



A couple points:

First, I'm on record as saying I have no problem with investigations into the Bidens. I believe in meritocracy, so I despise it when people have cushy jobs and wealth handed to them simply because of who their parents are. So naturally I don't think very highly of Hunter Biden or any of the Trumps.

That said, I don't buy the narrative that Trump was only concerned about America's interests when he tried to leverage foreign aid for an announced investigation into the Bidens. You don't send your personal attorney and a couple of goons to negotiate if what you're doing is above-board, and everyone who has been willing to testify under oath has confirmed that Trump was singularly focused on Biden/Burisma, instead of fighting corruption in general. The only people who insist that Trump's motivation was pure have refused to testify under oath.

Second, you lose some credibility when you say it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together. If you were truly interested in drawing logical inferences from the evidence, you wouldn't be defending Trump's actions at every turn. Instead, you'd have to acknowledge that Trump has been deflecting, lying, and stonewalling to prevent the truth from coming out.

It's fair to take the position that both Trump and Biden should be investigated. But when you insist that Trump is innocent while arguing that "2+2 = only the Bidens are corrupt," you're not being logical.
And further, I have seen the bank records of Hunter Biden getting huge payouts and listened to the entire left (media and all of you lefties) deny their is any reason to even LOOK at the Bidens.
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Ken Starr has turned into a old fool.

Starr has become inconsistent at best.

Trump and his Fox lawyers are in trouble.
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:48 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Funny that DipSchift is live saying exactly this live right now, 15 minutes after you posted it.. Without any interruptions from the media like the R's get.

Tell me there's no conspiracy here.

Liar Dems


CN
What? Come again?

What is it has you so frustrated? The fact that the republicans had FOUR years to bring an investigation into the Biden's and yet didn't do so?

Eh?

Trump seems to have discovered the Bidens right when he started beating him in hypothetical polls.
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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And further, I have seen the bank records of Hunter Biden getting huge payouts and listened to the entire left (media and all of you lefties) deny their is any reason to even LOOK at the Bidens.
It sure would be good to see the Trump taxes and bank records.

That one will never happen because the Trump's are dirty.


Nothing Trump has done is for the people of this country. It is for Trump, his family and his friends.
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:51 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Ken Starr has turned into a old fool.

Starr has become inconsistent at best.

Trump and his Fox lawyers are in trouble.
I thought the EXACT same thing.

Back in my fox news days (all Monica, all the time); Ken Starr seemed like a larger than life figure. I mean, honestly, it was the whole Monica/Clinton thing that got me started watching 24 hour news and suddenly interested in politics.

Today, Starr seemed old and small. He's missed a step.
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:53 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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What? Come again?

What is it has you so frustrated? The fact that the republicans had FOUR years to bring an investigation into the Biden's and yet didn't do so?

Eh?

Trump seems to have discovered the Bidens right when he started beating him in hypothetical polls.
Trump never intended to investigate the Bidens.

It seems the DNC and their obsession with impeachment over an alleged attempt to investigate the Bidens, has turned a bright spotlight on in the Biden's general direction, and the rest of the DNC in the background.

Perhaps you missed that bit of irony.



CN

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Old 01-27-2020, 05:07 PM
 
Location: DFW
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https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1221935749655859202
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Old 01-27-2020, 05:08 PM
 
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Ken Starr has turned into a old fool.

Starr has become inconsistent at best.

Trump and his Fox lawyers are in trouble.
Why? Why are they in trouble? How come you lefties don't say anything about the actual case? Just post nonsense like this with no backup.
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