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Old 01-31-2020, 01:26 PM
 
Location: DFW
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So Trump's lawyer was blocking Bolton's testimony because he knew Bolton would expose his involvement. Let's hope Cipollone is investigated and disbarred if true. The corruption expands.
All they had to do was Subpoena Bolton during the House Investigation.

He said he would give Testimony if the courts allowed it.
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Old 01-31-2020, 01:26 PM
 
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So Trump's lawyer was blocking Bolton's testimony because he knew Bolton would expose his involvement. Let's hope Cipollone is investigated and disbarred if true. The corruption expands.
If Trump were to lose the election in November, Trumpa Claus will be stuffing a lot of stockings with pardons this year.
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Old 01-31-2020, 01:28 PM
 
Location: DFW
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If Trump were to lose the election in November, Trumpa Claus will be stuffing a lot of stockings with pardons this year.
Much like Clinton, Bush and Obama did as President ?
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Old 01-31-2020, 01:30 PM
 
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Much like Clinton, Bush and Obama did as President ?
Exactly! Democrats - The party of complete and total hypocrisy.
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Old 01-31-2020, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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That's just not true on it's face. The subpoenas issued by committee were not valid, and that is what the President said. If the committee thought that was wrong, they should have went to court. The President does not serve at the pleasure of the Congress.

It would be like if the police came to my house and said they wanted to search it and I said no. They can't arrest me for obstruction of justice. Now if they go through the right process, show probable cause and get a judge to issue a search warrant and then I still refuse to allow them search, then and only then can I be arrested for obstruction.

The Constitution is pretty clear that the HOUSE has the sole power to impeach, not the Speaker of the House, but the HOUSE. Since the House didn't vote to authorize the start of the inquiry, the subpoenas issued weren't authorized by the House and thus invalid. They, to my knowledge never re-issued the subpoenas once a vote did take place and they never went to court to challenge the Presidents position.

It is basically, the House said we want this and the President said No and they said ok, obstruction of congress it is. No basis for this and it really is just stupid.
Well said.

The House never had a formal vote to begin the inquiry. Pelosi simply instructed her Democrat committee chairman, whom she appointed, to start an inquiry.

Pelosi called Bolton to appear as a witness, but withdrew it after Bolton wouldn't appear. She then issued a subpoena for Bolton's assistant, took it to court, but immediately withdrew the subpoena after the judge said he was going to expedite the matter to rule on it.

Pelosi knew she would lose any case where they tried to subpoena the president's inner circle of policy and legal advisors.
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Old 01-31-2020, 01:33 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The House Managers are playing clips from their witnesses today !!! How is it they claim there are no witnesses in the Senate Trial ?

No wonder they are losers !!!
Yeah, well, they have the Dem voter base fooled, for what that's worth.
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Old 01-31-2020, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Autocrat?


Courts have been blocking him left and right, the press is still free (and hates him), how is he an autocrat exactly?


Good lord. Stop reading progressive forums.
Yup, Trump is the first autocrat who follows the law, follows the Constitution, and honors the rulings by the SCOTUS that resolve disputes between the Executive Branch and the Legislative Branch.

It's the dems, and their new Democratic Socialist Party ideology which exist outside the norms of our law, outside our judicial system of justice and outside the US Constitution.
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Old 01-31-2020, 01:39 PM
 
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All they had to do was Subpoena Bolton during the House Investigation.

He said he would give Testimony if the courts allowed it.
And it was evident that it may be tied up in courts for at least months. You know that though.
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Old 01-31-2020, 01:41 PM
 
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Well said.

The House never had a formal vote to begin the inquiry. Pelosi simply instructed her Democrat committee chairman, whom she appointed, to start an inquiry.

Pelosi called Bolton to appear as a witness, but withdrew it after Bolton wouldn't appear. She then issued a subpoena for Bolton's assistant, took it to court, but immediately withdrew the subpoena after the judge said he was going to expedite the matter to rule on it.

Pelosi knew she would lose any case where they tried to subpoena the president's inner circle of policy and legal advisors.
Incorrect. Under the rules the Republicans created in 2015 when they controlled the House, a Committee chair for the Judiciary and Oversight Committees has power to issue subpoenas without a formal vote to authorize a committee investigation. I'm surprised you missed that little tidbit, given that you appear to be some type of self-professed expert on the subject.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...a-trump-943265
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Old 01-31-2020, 01:45 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Incorrect. Under the rules the Republicans created in 2015 when they controlled the House, a Committee chair for the Judiciary and Oversight Committees has power to issue subpoenas without a formal vote to authorize a committee investigation. I'm surprised you missed that little tidbit, given that you appear to be some type of self-professed expert on the subject.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...a-trump-943265
And yet, they never did it. Notice how the Intelligence Committee is not one of the two authorized to do so? Did Nadler subpoena Bolton? Nope. Right, the Judiciary Committee is not authorized to have secret meetings in the basement to have a rehearsal hearing first.
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