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If this is over as quickly as possible, this will be fair. This is an emergency, after all. I heard the democrats say this many times when the house couldn’t be bothered to pursue the witnesses themselves. It is just as much of an emergency now. Even more of an emergency since Nancy put the process on hold for a month, after they got their impeachment done. They need this to be over fast. ASAP. No time for the witnesses that the house didn’t have time to pursue.
If this is over as quickly as possible, this will be fair. This is an emergency, after all. I heard the democrats say this many times when the house couldn’t be bothered to pursue the witnesses themselves. It is just as much of an emergency now. Even more of an emergency since Nancy put the process to a halt for a month. They need this to be over fast. ASAP. No time for the witnesses that the house didn’t have time to pursue.
Why? Are you worried about witnesses and evidence then? And what fair trial has neither evidence or witnesses? That’s not called a fair trial, it’s called a farce.
Yes. The Dems didn't play fair, so it's only fair for the Repubs not to play fair as well.
This is just the type of toddler mentality that is far too pervasive in our society. The perception that the other side has abused the process should compel you to try to uphold the integrity of the process, not try to outdo the other side in abusing it. I wouldn't accept this type of approach from a child, much less our political leaders.
We are in agreement on this one. Both the Clinton and now the Trump impeachment trials illustrate how useless this process really is. The only scenario where it would have any impact would be where both the House and the Senate are the opposition Party. This should be no surprise since this is really not a legal proceeding, but rather a political proceeding.
People seem to be expecting the outcome of the trial to be removal. But really the most important outcome is the exposure of the evidence or lack thereof to the citizens in the country, and then finally to determine fitness for office.
That worked pretty well for Clinton. We learned all about his ridiculous affair and his lying, and we moved on. Will be interesting what we get to see in this Trump impeachment. At the end of the day the Republicans will surely be forced to follow the same path the Democrats did with Clinton, as far as allowing witnesses and evidence to be presented. That would be consistent.
Agreed, this is a political exercise, not a legal one.
As far as allowing witnesses, this is very different than the Clinton trial.
The witnesses the dems want have privileged information, and witnesses that the White House may want have already publicly stated they will no testify, even if subpoenaed (Schiff, Biden).
I don't see the American people supporting dragging this trial out for 6, or more months to have this all play out in court.
The dems are interested in turning this trial into a circus, Heck, Schiff has already hijacked the trial for an hour making his opening arguments when the issues at hand was about the trial rules.
I don't think the dems will be able to retain support if they try to make this into something like the Kavanaugh hearings.
Why? Are you worried about witnesses and evidence then? And what fair trial has neither evidence or witnesses? That’s not called a fair trial, it’s called a farce.
Funny, there are YouTube videos from 1999 of democrats like Schumer, saying that this is not trial like in a court room. That this is a political process. There is some good Pelosi and Nadler footage too. And the way they treated this impeachment in the house, I think the democrats still believe that this is a political process. It’s strange how democrats hold republicans to a different standard than they hold themselves.
This is just the type of toddler mentality that is far too pervasive in our society. The perception that the other side has abused the process should compel you to try to uphold the integrity of the process, not try to outdo the other side in abusing it. I wouldn't accept this type of approach from a child, much less our political leaders.
I hear you but the reality is that once the Greatest Generation passed, they delivered the torch to a new class of spoiled children. The hellfire of World War II and the depths of the Great Depression forged the leaders of a great nation - and that heritage is slipping away from us before our eyes.
This is just the type of toddler mentality that is far too pervasive in our society. The perception that the other side has abused the process should compel you to try to uphold the integrity of the process, not try to outdo the other side in abusing it. I wouldn't accept this type of approach from a child, much less our political leaders.
It would be different if you were talking about 2 different impeachments. Then, it is childish to say, the last guys impeachment was unfair so we are going to make this one unfair. But that is not the case here. In this case, what that poster said is valid because the process was tainted from the very beginning by the democrats. At this point, it would be unfair to convict, so for the republicans to continue the democrat’s bad behavior actually IS in the interest of justice.
Yah but it’s not if there is no witnesses or evidence. That is not the same as the Clinton trial and not fair. That’s what I call a sham trial. Show me a fair trial that did not have witnesses or evidence submitted... you can’t.
Sen Hirono (D-HI) already spoke to this nonsense:
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"If we were following the Clinton precedent, there would have been all of this discovery done at the House level, and that's not what's happening at all."
The House didn't do its job, and that's based on the urgency of the Iowa caucus, and now they are calling the Senate's refusal to correct that series of colossal mistakes a "coverup."
In their zeal to "get him" and do it as quickly as possible, the House threw out any notion of fairness and also failed miserably to gather all of the required evidence they are now demanding. They simply failed at their job, and are now blaming the Senate for not rescuing them from that failure.
Not the Senate's job, never has been. Even the Democrat senators and the waffling RINOs (Romney, Collins) are telling the House to pound sand for not doing their job properly. One thing that transcends party is neither chamber of Congress being allowed to boss the other chamber around. Schiff doesn't get to command the Senate, nor does the media in Schiff's pocket.
So the reason they are all in a tizzy about "omg, this isn't like Clinton at all" is because the House in the Clinton impeachment actually did their job. They actually charged legitimate crimes found in the US Code, backed the charges with evidence and witness testimony, and had the whole thing ready to go before they ever voted on the articles. McConnell is using the same rules laid out then, and what is different is how bad the House botched their end of the deal.
The court of law parallel would be a sloppy prosecutor trying to bag a big conviction right before a reelection, and upon being told by the judge that the case was going t be thrown out for being shoddy, the prosecutor goes nuts on TV about how the judge is corrupt for not becoming an investigator on behalf of the prosecution and filling in the investigation and evidence gathering holes the prosecutor left all over the case.
That's what Schiff, Nadler and the media are trying to convince you of. The jury in this impeachment trial is corrupt because they refuse to help the prosecution "re-investigate" the alleged crime and help the prosecution build a better case than the one they just brought before the court.
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