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Old 01-25-2020, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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I've been attacked and belittled my whole life because of my health problems. I've had people ask why they should have their taxes pay for my medical care. Yes, people do attack and begrudges people who are condemned to live in an unhealthy body. I've even been verbally attacked by my former doctors for being too sick to work. I've almost died multiple times over my life because a doctor refused to treat me or refer me for treatment.

I ended up having to have my uterus cut out back in 2004. It was prolapsed and hanging out of my body. I was bleeding to death. I actually had nurses mock me when I was crying out in pain. I had some doctors tell me to take a midol. They all refused to examine me. I had one doctor say he couldn't examine me until I stopped bleeding. Nothing I took helped the pain. I was in so much pain prior to the surgery that after I had the hysterectomy, a major surgery, I felt like I had a super pain medicine even though I still wasn't being given anything for the pain. I lived in that pain for many years. I often want to hunt down all those doctors and nurses that did that to me and cut their uteruses and have them hang out of their bodies and ask them "do you believe I was in pain now?" I only lived because I happened to get a nurse in another town to schedule me and that doctor saved me. At first he was demanding to know why I went so long without seeking medical treatment, and I told him I had and the trouble I was having getting help. Since the primary care doctor I had refused to refer me to an obgyn, Medicaid was refusing to pay for any of this medical care. The doctor patted me and told me not to worry about the money. I never saw one bill. He paid for the hysterectomy and an extra night in the hospital. It didn't stop people from being mad when hearing I had a hysterectomy and assume that their tax dollars went to pay for it.

I had lost so much blood for so long that even after the surgery and even after I stopped bleeding it took over a year for me to regain some strength, and it did unknown damage to my body. Afterall, blood is what carries our nutrients. My teeth rotted in my mouth during that time, even though I was brushing them, because of the constant blood loss. The doctor that saved me was shocked I was still alive. My teeth constantly hurt all the time and break easy. Dentist wanted me to have them pulled at one point and get dentures, but I learned that Medicaid wouldn't pay for the dentures and I had no money to pay for them, so I kept my bad teeth. They sometimes wiggle a little when I eat and I get nervous one will break again.

It costs tax payers over $5k/month minimum for my monthly medical expenses, and my medical health gets worse as I get older. The ALJ that cut off my disability even said that I needed to stop going to doctors and get a job basically. He went on about how I managed to go to the doctors so I can go to a job. So, even the SSA begrudges me for having health problems. Societal attitude is that I need to 'suck it up and get a job anyway' even though I've been trying to get a job my whole life and no employer wanted me because of my medical problems.

If I were healthy enough I could have landed a deal today that could have earned me four to five thousand in gross profits. It would have required lifting over 400 objects that weigh about 30 lbs each. I struggle to lift ten pounds. I knew I wouldn't be able to do it. I still feel in the dumps about it. I wouldn't have been able to budge the things. The man that got them is going to make a quick killing. He probably can do the lifting all by himself.
truly, you shouldn't have an issue finding a decent doctor to declare you totally disabled if your health is anything like you constantly portray. You appear to be a horribly wrong medical anomaly, and that's OK, it's not your fault. You're one of the 1% or less we'll just have to help.
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Old 01-25-2020, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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That's how the Liberals like it.
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Old 01-25-2020, 03:25 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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That seems suspect in light of the billionaire per capita rates.

The 15 most billionaire-dense countries
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Old 01-25-2020, 04:35 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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The economy has no bearing on individual decisions to put immediate gratification ahead of financial planning and future risk mitigation.

Can't blame Republicans, Democrats, the economy, rich people, or the ghost of Elvis. It's individuals making bad decisions.

/discussion
The economy may not, but the job market does ...

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Old 01-25-2020, 04:43 PM
 
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That seems suspect in light of the billionaire per capita rates.

The 15 most billionaire-dense countries
Whatabout?

Is that your point?
Because if it's not I don't understand. Income inequality in this nation is clear and measurable. NO ONE denies it......no chart or metric goes against it.

Suspect? What is suspect? Are all those people I see every week not living in trailers and shacks and needing basic food assistance?
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Old 01-25-2020, 04:51 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Immediate gratification like food, medications, and shelter?
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So says the narrative, but it is rarely if ever the truth.

Give the concrete example of the person who spends their money only on food, medication and shelter, and still cannot save $400 over some period of time. By all means. Give us the documented example of that. Until then, it is an appeal to emotion fantasy used for deflection.
It's in what they neglect (medical, car repairs) in order to make those bills ...

Report on the Economic Well-Being of U.S. Households in 2017 - May 2018

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Until then, it is an appeal to emotion fantasy used for deflection
Actually its more of facts people don't want to know about or deal with ... as long as people believe that human value and economical value are the same, it is what it is.
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Old 01-25-2020, 04:52 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Whatabout?

Is that your point?
Because if it's not I don't understand. Income inequality in this nation is clear and measurable. NO ONE denies it......no chart or metric goes against it.

Suspect? What is suspect? Are all those people I see every week not living in trailers and shacks and needing basic food assistance?
I am 57 years old. It seems to me we have had people in shacks and trailers and needing food assistance as far back as I can remember. My personal worst years were 87 thru 90.

There have always been the haves and the have nots.
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Old 01-25-2020, 04:56 PM
 
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So, yes, the Blue Cross/Anthem CEO had a total compensation of $23 Million, but only $7 Million was cash, as in a wage/salary, while the other $16 Million was non-cash benefits.
Ah. "but only" are the key words there. The corporate jet and cadillac health plans and use of the "executive retreats" in the mountains and by the ocean and the personal chef and the million for artwork in the office.....all of that stuff is......what?

You seem to be saying that the entire 23 million didn't come out of the premiums of the policy holders? Is that your point?

Or, in the case of United Health Care, are you saying the Billion dollar retirement of ONE person didn't cause rates to be adjusted to cover that?

Or, is what you are saying...that a person cannot be found who would run a health care company for less than a billion dollars?

None of your "rules" seem to address what our founders and anyone else who has lived in the real world have found out many a time. These rules do not assume corruption, graft, selfishness, pollution, poverty and dozens of other things that have to do with The People or The General Welfare.

You could write a few books of your "rules" but in the end they are stories like in the Old Testament. You may believe them or have faith in them, but they don't prove out. They seem "real" to you...even though much of the evidence contradicts them.

In the case of the Health Care industry (one example), Americans pay double the cost (triple in some cases) then Japan or Europe and yet get less "health" for it.

You do not address the circle jerk which makes this so..........

1. Government is lobbied by the Meat and Dairy industries to tell us all these are good for us.
2. Vast sums are spent selling these terrible products to Americans.
3. The Porks fattens up, as desired, and contracts many times the amount of disease they would otherwise
4. Said Businesses lobby for dirtier land, water and air - thereby making even more people suffer and sick.
5. More unhealthy people = vastly more profits in medicine.

Rinse and repeat...and that's only one small example of the "logic". Our GDP soars as we spend more borrowed money on health care.....

And this, according to some economic theories., is a "good thing"?

Nope. Sorry. I don't buy it. What you are effectively telling me is that we'd have been better off building the Internet and Android and all on Microsoft paid platforms instead of Unix........because, after all, think of all the money that could have been made!
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Old 01-25-2020, 04:56 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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If you don't have 400 dollars in savings and you are gainfully employed and older than 25 the problem is you. You are the problem if you can't save 400 dollars, plain simple basic fact.

In our not taking ownership of our own failings society it's easy to point the finger at X, X being whatever, fill in the blank.
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Old 01-25-2020, 05:07 PM
 
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I am 57 years old. It seems to me we have had people in shacks and trailers and needing food assistance as far back as I can remember. My personal worst years were 87 thru 90.

There have always been the haves and the have nots.
The entire state of Florida has had those figures for decades. When that number is 45% something is wrong.

If 10% of people were in that situation I'd say you have a point. Even if the number were 15%, it might be in a range which was semi-normal.

Some of this really does depend on a world view. If we want to give larger deductions and tax breaks to the dude or corporation that owns the apartments that these people can't afford...and therefore LESS to these people themselves, that's actually a policy decision.

I guess my belief is that the USA should and could always make things better. It shouldn't be that these rates are still at the highs they hit due to the Great Recession.

Much of life is like a card game or casino in this sense.
If I have no net worth (which is true of virtually ALL black and hispanic families and many white families) and something happens where I need $500, I may have to take the $1500 diamond my grandmother left to me AND my guitar down to the Pawn shop and lose it forever. The cost to me, therefore, was maybe 4 or 5X the $500.

But if I had the $500...I would only be out $500.

I see this also in my business mentoring. An ambitious white person (or couple) might come in and see me all excited with the small business sideline they are going to start. Numerous black folks will come is...with as much more more excitement. Generally, the white person will say "wife and I work and we have some extra income so I can fund this little venture...and, if it fails, we'll be ok".

The black folks....well, first, they don't even have the capital for their dream (a Food Truck, for example). When I question them as to their Day Jobs, they usually indicate they are both working..but when I ask if they have any spare income they look at me like I must be nuts! It's not even in their worldview that two people would work full time and have a spare dime.

I know it's hard to see for those who haven't been there...and even for many who have. Sometime I feel like writing a check to these folks....but that's against the rules of the org I work for.
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