SF Mayor London Breed Endorses Mike Bloomberg (Michael Bloomberg, controversial, marijuana)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by davdaven

Because he doesn't want to be involved in foreign affairs. From his own campaign website: "Follow the American people, who do not want endless war. American troops have been in Afghanistan for nearly 18 years, the longest war in American history. Our troops have been in Iraq since 2003, and in Syria since 2015, and many other places. It is long past time for Congress to reassert its Constitutional authority over the use of force to responsibly end these interventions and bring our troops home." He does qualify this by saying it'd be responsible, but I'm sure Trump felt the same way about what he did in Syria.

Ok but not really ok. Your reasoning doesn’t add up here. Without arguing whether Sanders is the right or best candidate to become president ... but rather just your specific concern:

You agree that Trump’s Syria policy is a failure.

Then you say Sanders’ would do the same ... and quote his website ... but fail to recognize that Sanders’ stated position is to return Congressional authority “ over the use of force to responsibly end these interventions and bring our troops home.“

Whereas Trump accelerated the Executive Branch’s applications of military force independent of Congress.

Sanders is proposing to return Congressional oversight and involvement.

That all clarified, Bloomberg is a pragmatist, not an ideologue. Breed may well like Bloomberg’s NYC record of pragmatism. For all the various hiccups that people may cite, his record of creating positive change and paths forward for the nation’s largest city is pretty impressive.

Then again, he’s a complete capitalist ... which is as much of an ultimate death march for society as would be communism.

[CorporateCowboy]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

That all clarified, Bloomberg is a pragmatist, not an ideologue. Breed may well like Bloomberg’s NYC record of pragmatism. For all the various hiccups that people may cite, his record of creating positive change and paths forward for the nation’s largest city is pretty impressive.

I agree re: Bloomberg. That said, Breed went through Bloomberg's Harvard City Leadership program (as did Tubbs and Liccardo); and they have lined up on several initiatives specific to SF in the past as well. She also supports his Greenwood Initiative.

[davdaven]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Sanders is proposing to return Congressional oversight and involvement.

True, and that's a good thing. Although I think Trump has done too much damage already, and realistically future presidents will do whatever they darn well please. Sanders has some pacifist leanings, so the question is whether the woman will get pregnant or not when he pulls out.

Getting back to the origin of this thread, I don't think Bloomberg has much of a chance. He's not as bad as Sanders and undoubtedly better than Trump, but my preference is for Klobuchar or Buttigieg. Hard to say which is more marketable in the general election because the parts of the country that are scared by gay men are also scared by powerful women.

[CorporateCowboy]

Originally Posted by davdaven

Getting back to the origin of this thread, I don't think Bloomberg has much of a chance. He's not as bad as Sanders and undoubtedly better than Trump, but my preference is for Klobuchar or Buttigieg. Hard to say which is more marketable in the general election because the parts of the country that are scared by gay men are also scared by powerful women.

Per the Mercury News today the majority of SF (and the rest of California) apparently are placing more importance on beating Trump i.e. 'the most electable candidate' over specific candidates/issues (this was as high as 82% for Biden supporters) - meaning they are ready and willing to jump ship i.e. whatever it takes. This is where Bloomberg may have more of a chance than currently perceived (and several other California mayors have endorsed him in addition to Breed).

[msgsing]

Alas. I think any hope of a Democrat win in the upcoming elections is a pipe dream. Irregardless of the candidate. Do you think Trump isn’t imboldened by acquittal. Thanks to Republican Senators I’m guessing that Trump is already on the phone strong arming Ukraine again and conspiring with Putin to interfere in the election with all their resources. Trump is virtually untouchable now just like the old Mafia Dons.

[llowllevellowll]

Originally Posted by davdaven

? No, Syria did not go well, and Bernie would likely do the same as Donald but everywhere, not just in Syria.

It might be a mess but it'd be a long overdue and necessary mess to make. We can avoid pulling off the bandaids just like we avoided leaving Vietnam but it doesn't mean that's a better solution. At least what wouldn't happen is that Sanders wouldn't continue the cycle of imperialist policies.

[llowllevellowll]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Then again, he’s a complete capitalist ... which is as much of an ultimate death march for society as would be communism.

When people start talking about communism, I start to look a bit dubiously. There has, to this date, never been a communist country. A move toward socialism is not necessarily a move toward communism. Sanders is far more a reformist than anything, and it's really no different than when FDR capitulated to both the socialists and the capitalists--many of those reformed which have now been essentially repealed. And to think, FDR is one of the most popular Democratic candidates in history and yet today's mess of a party is so scared to allow a somewhat similar figure to be nominated.

[5thgenSF]

Originally Posted by citylove101

After Bloomberg’s admitted total cluelessness about the wrongness of stop-and-frisk policy here, and the deep harm and alienation that it caused in black and Hispanic communities, I’m a bit taken aback that any black pol could back Bloomberg.

mayor of stockton (michael tubbs) also endorses him.

[CorporateCowboy]

Originally Posted by 5thgenSF

mayor of stockton (michael tubbs) also endorses him.

The mayors of Compton (Brown) and San Jose (Liccardo) as well.

[5thgenSF]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

UNLESS the economy dives before the election.

not only is the economy diving, we are trillions more in debt thanks to trump.